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Dallas and Fort Worth shares many amenities. The airport, tv market, radio market, etc. Downtown Dallas to Downtown FW are 36 miles apart but this is Texas and in Texas, the city limits are big. The city of Dallas is actually only 10 miles from the city of Fort Worth.
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Dallas and Fort Worth shares many amenities. The airport, tv market, radio market, etc. Downtown Dallas to Downtown FW are 36 miles apart but this is Texas and in Texas, the city limits are big. The city of Dallas is actually only 10 miles from the city of Fort Worth.
The cities are 350-385 sq miles in size though. That's not downtown to downtown. Dallas and Fort Worth certainly have grown closer knit over the years, but I honestly still see them as bi-nodal metropolis unlike a Chicago or Houston which is based around a single city with suburbs radiating outward in all directions uninterrupted. A number of areas share amenities from end to end of a multi-nodal metropolis.
Dallas and Fort Worth shares many amenities. The airport, tv market, radio market, etc. Downtown Dallas to Downtown FW are 36 miles apart but this is Texas and in Texas, the city limits are big. The city of Dallas is actually only 10 miles from the city of Fort Worth.
Exactly and downtown to downtown is 30 miles. These two will only continue to grow together more rather than begin to split apart.
Dallas and Fort Worth’s rent like other cities. Arlington, Hurst-Euless-Bedford all the cities in between are established inner suburbs that have existed as populous suburbs for Decades now. It’s akin to saying Yokohama would split off from Tokyo since they are 22 miles apart. Or saying Newark and New York, Osaka and Kyoto or Osaka and Kobe split apart with growth. The growth just brought those cities above closer and closer together. The established suburbs the increased density, the shared amenities. All of it works to make places like Irving, Mansfield and Arlington a lot more desrieable as cities than they normally would be.
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City of Houston, Texas (Population within City Limits)
2022 2,302,878
2020 2,304,580
2010 2,099,451
2000 1,953,631
1990 1,630,553
(Chicago City)
City of Chicago Population (City Limits)
2022 2,665,039
2020 2,746,388
2010 2,695,598
2000 2,896,016
1990 2,783,726
Chicago Metro Population, if it Grew At Dallas Growth Rates
1990 8,065,633
2000 9,402,019 (+1,336,386)
2010 10,606,432 (+1,204,413)
2020 11,817,605 (+1,211,173)
2022 12,123,903 (+ 306,298)
The cities are 350-385 sq miles in size though. That's not downtown to downtown. Dallas and Fort Worth certainly have grown closer knit over the years, but I honestly still see them as bi-nodal metropolis unlike a Chicago or Houston which is based around a single city with suburbs radiating outward in all directions uninterrupted. A number of areas share amenities from end to end of a multi-nodal metropolis.
I think you misread what I typed as I said that. I know it’s not downtown to downtown but because the city limits for each city are big, Fort Worth most eastern point of the city limits are only 10 miles from Dallas most western point of their city limits. Also yes, they maybe are bi-nodal but it’s still one metro. It’s the same size as Houston metro in sq miles.
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Would that be an example of "sprawl" or do we have a different name for it depending on which city is doing it?
For those that would mean they would have to admit that the way they cast stones at Sunbelt cities apply to there's as well. The central cities in this country are definitely all uniquie in their own way, but every suburb no matter the region is basically the same. Some larger than others, but it's same old crap. Subdivision, strip mall, subdivision, megachurch, strip mall, "lifestyle center". There really isn't any point debating which metro has a better version of the same crap.
It may be a correction from the Census.
It would be more definite if it's in the tens of thousands. But if it's that small it's usually a correction from a census overestimate.
Houston grew from 2021 to 2022 and should show a bigger growth from 22 to 22.
I voted for Houston overtaking Chicago first, but I don't think either option will happen soon. Certainly not until the 2030s at a minimum.
My reasoning is not annexation but densification. Due to lack of zoning restrictions in Houston, it is relatively easy for developers to acquire properties that previously held one SFH and replace with several townhouses - or in some cases multi-story apartment complexes. This has been happening in many ITL neighborhoods over the past couple decades (e.g. Rice Military, Heights, Cottage Grove) and has more recently been expanding to neighborhoods outside 610 (but still within Houston city limits) like Acres Homes and Independence Heights.
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