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Sacramento is a flat, inland California city with by California standards fairly chilly winters. Given that CA draws a lot of its appeal from the ocean, the mountains and all-year nice mild weather...it's obvious why it's kinda under the radar.
I think without the state government and the other business that attracts it'd probably just be another Modesto. As it is, I think there's more poverty and blight in the Sacramento area (especially the north side of the city) than may be generally assumed.
Sacramento is great town, puhleeze, just another Modesto, you obviously don't know the history, industry and people of Sactown very well. But it's to be expected Sacramento will always get the "nose-up in the air about it" usually from Southern Californians and Bay Area folks.
Flat is great, DC is flat, Paris is flat, NYC is flat, Minneapolis, Chicago and Milwaukee are flat; nothing wrong with flat, makes it very easy to get around by bike or walking around.
Inland Caliornia means we don't have May Gray or June Gloom just perfect weather. Chilly winters? we barely even have a winter, but certainly more so than SoCal or the Southwest. Sacramento actually has 4 seasons, yet we have a classic Mediterranean climate.
SF Bay Area winters and Sacramento winters are near identical. Great thing about Sacramento winters is if you want to spend the day in a winter wonderland, Sierras and Tahoe are just 1-2 hours away, great way to have a day trip in the snow....tons and tons of snow, at a World class ski resort, or just an unpretentious mom and pop ski resort its very easy to get to......and come back to a snowless & mild Sacramento that same day.
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Sacramento is a flat, inland California city with by California standards fairly chilly winters. Given that CA draws a lot of its appeal from the ocean, the mountains and all-year nice mild weather...it's obvious why it's kinda under the radar.
I think without the state government and the other business that attracts it'd probably just be another Modesto. As it is, I think there's more poverty and blight in the Sacramento area (especially the north side of the city) than may be generally assumed.
Does Modesto have coastal redwoods?
What's the Modesto answer to UC Davis, Locke, Folsom, Old Sac, Sac having a massive rail presence, etc?
Sac is underrated.
If you want to live in a Pittsburgh/Portland type city within CA, Sac is where you go.
Sacramento is great town, puhleeze, just another Modesto, you obviously don't know the history, industry and people of Sactown very well. But it's to be expected Sacramento will always get the "nose-up in the air about it" usually from Southern Californians and Bay Area folks.
Flat is great, DC is flat, Paris is flat, NYC is flat, Minneapolis, Chicago and Milwaukee are flat; nothing wrong with flat, makes it very easy to get around by bike or walking around.
Inland Caliornia means we don't have May Gray or June Gloom just perfect weather. Chilly winters? we barely even have a winter, but certainly more so than SoCal or the Southwest. Sacramento actually has 4 seasons, yet we have a classic Mediterranean climate.
SF Bay Area winters and Sacramento winters are near identical. Great thing about Sacramento winters is if you want to spend the day in a winter wonderland, Sierras and Tahoe are just 1-2 hours away, great way to have a day trip in the snow....tons and tons of snow, at a World class ski resort, or just an unpretentious mom and pop ski resort its very easy to get to......and come back to a snowless & mild Sacramento that same day.
I recently moved to NorCal from Seattle. My work has me throughout the Northern part of that state and I just need to say.. I'm very pleasantly surprised with Sacramento. It's charming, sunny, friendly, great farmers markets and fruit stands with affordable produce. A good amount to do, nearby coveted national/ state parks, lower cost of living, decent transit & light rail, interesting neighborhoods. And it's about the same size as Denver/ Portland. This city has really been slept on, I've been having very positive experiences there.
I think Sacramento should be featured more in conversations. It's overshadowed by the Bay, but honest;y it seems like it's to the city's benefit.
What other cities are slept on?
Tacoma is also one that has started gaining at least regional traction. These two cities offer much more than you might expect.
Typical mixed housing in midtown. Most of the single family manors actually appear to be du-tri-quadplexes. Lot's of 2-3-4 story apartment building as well. Sprinkled with bodegas and human scale commercial strips.
Tacoma looks really good (and this goes for Sac too), but lately it does seem to be priced right about where it should be, so that "underrated" title is getting less and less applicable by the minute.
I'm curious from where in Tacoma one would see Mt.Rainier. I'm on Google Street View and I'm trying to find any views of it, but most of the street views show no mountains at all or other much lower hills. 30 miles is a long distance to be able to see a mountain from ground level for what it's worth.
The thing is, if you’re unfamiliar with the area (which I assume you are), it’s hard to know where to look to see Mt. Rainier since it is oftentimes obscured by trees, hills, or clouds (even on sunny days) so aimlessly searching on street view won’t really help.
On a clear day, Rainier looks massive from Tacoma. Some places I’ve seen it from are Peck Athletic Fields, Fireman’s Park, the I-5 & 512 interchange, Point Defiance, the entrance onto I-5 from SR-16.
For a standalone 14,000+ ft peak, 30 miles isn’t that far. Rainier can actually be seen as far as Victoria BC and Corvallis, Oregon.
I think without the state government and the other business that attracts it'd probably just be another Modesto.
I hate these hypotheticals. If X city didn't have Y industry then they wouldn't be who they are. Truth can be said for a lot of cities, not just Sacramento. Take out tech in San Jose, gambling in Vegas, the military in San Diego, steel in Pittsburgh, all of these cities wouldn't have grown to the cities they are today without some form of industry.
Yes, without state government, Sac is probably another Fresno. But the state capital isn"t being moved to another city any time soon.
Unfortunately a lot of those photos are the kind of staged shots I was talking about. I just find in real life you rarely actually see things very far in the distance. Like it's surprising to me every time how close you need to get to a city's skyline to actually see it from street level.
It's very different in hilly cities. A large percentage of people have mountain views in the Puget Sound area. I can see both Mt. Rainier and the Olympic range from my windows (Rainier is 50 miles away, and I'm not really elevated) and that's common.
I hate these hypotheticals. If X city didn't have Y industry then they wouldn't be who they are. Truth can be said for a lot of cities, not just Sacramento. Take out tech in San Jose, gambling in Vegas, the military in San Diego, steel in Pittsburgh, all of these cities wouldn't have grown to the cities they are today without some form of industry.
Yes, without state government, Sac is probably another Fresno. But the state capital isn"t being moved to another city any time soon.
Yep, but Sacramento has always been more than just State gov't. Without State gov't, Sacramento would have been more than Fresno without state gov't.
Sacramento has always had a high-tech of the day, Railroad industry, Ag research and development, Military industry - thousands of civilian employees maintained and worked the latest in high-tech airplanes in the 40's, 50's, 60's, and 70's at McCleaan AFB. Another thousand of employees created and developed the latest in high-tech at Aerojet Rocket Corp; building, developing rockets in the 50's, 60's til the end of the 20th century and into the 21 century in Sacramento County.
Currently, The biggest train factory in America of locomotives and train cars is located in the city of Sacramento - Siemens of North America.
UC Davis and its affiliates are researching and developing many many different technologies in Bio, Health Science, Ag, Vet & Animal Medicine...some pioneering developments. Media-The McClatchy Corp. in Sacramento was huge and a pioneer in the Newpaper Industry throughout the 20th Century. KCRA-Quite the pioneer in television news and media considering the size of Sacramento back in the day.
We have always overshadowed and ignored who we are within the guise that we are a "Gov't town'. Perhaps, if we didn't have State Gov't we may actually could have gone the way of Austin, Portland, Denver in terms of the private sector. Still yet, we are not that far behind them...for a "Gov't town".
One place that comes to mind that is underrated is Fort Worth.
I drove through there last year and caught downtown Fort Worth on a Friday night. It was positively crawling with people out strolling, drinking, dining, and just enjoying the fresh air and beautiful downtown area. The people were also noticeably nice-looking; it was definitely not like going to Wal-Mart. To me it was one of the nicer downtowns I've seen in the nation and nobody seems to be aware of it.
Omaha is another one. I've been twice for the college World Series and found Omaha to be terrific.
Omaha is built on beautiful hills which a spread throughout the entire metropolitan area all the way out to the far suburbs. The downtown is beautiful and the area of historic residential neighborhoods is huge. They are surprisingly hilly and wooded and with beautiful architecture. The city is also quite organized. Due to the lack of separate suburbs, the city's bus system reaches out to the far outer suburban areas which are still in the city. They have the college World Series, a top zoo, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers 45 minutes away.
Other underrated cities include Boise (booming and beautiful) and the Mississippi Gulf Coast (with ultra-charming coastal towns of Ocean Springs and Bay St Louis and pristine islands entirely within a national park.)
Unfortunately a lot of those photos are the kind of staged shots I was talking about. I just find in real life you rarely actually see things very far in the distance. Like it's surprising to me every time how close you need to get to a city's skyline to actually see it from street level.
As someone who grew up in Tacoma, I can honestly say that is the scale from Tacoma. There are photos that make it look bigger and I did not post those.
These more or less to scale.
With that being said, in person if you're standing in Tacoma, Mt. Rainier appears to be larger than what is shown in these pics. Trying to find a sweet spot lol. I guess it's something you'd need to see in person. Anyone who does will not deny it is a large commanding force.
This is zoomed in
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