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Old 08-25-2023, 07:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by RocketSci View Post
List (in order) of perceived "safest"
1 Dallas
2 Boston
3 Seattle
4 Las Vegas
5 Miami
6 Minneapolis
7 Houston
8 New Orleans
9 Atlanta
10 San Francisco
11 Washington, D.C.
12 Philadelphia
13 New York
14 Los Angeles
15 Chicago
16 Detroit

List (in order) of actual lowest ("safest") to highest rate of violent crime - last number is placement among top 100 cities
1 New York 45th "safest" among 100 largest US cities
2 Las Vegas 46
3 Seattle 49
4 Boston 55
5 San Francisco 63
6 Miami 64
7 Los Angeles 68
8 Dallas 69
9 Philadelphia 75
10 Washington, D.C. 76
11 Houston 82
12 Chicago 83
13 Minneapolis 84
14 New Orleans 85
15 Detroit 98
* Atlanta was not rated

List (in order) of actual lowest ("safest") to highest rate of property crime - last number is placement among top 100 cities
1 New York 4th "safest" among 100 largest US cities
2 Boston 12
3 Los Angeles 25
4 Las Vegas 32
5 Philadelphia 36
6 Dallas 40
7 Chicago 45
8 Miami 67
9 Houston 70
10 Washington, D.C. 71
11 New Orleans 72
12 Detroit 77
13 Minneapolis 79
14 Seattle 86
15 San Francisco 96
* Atlanta was not rated

source: Wikipedia list of US cities by crime rate
Could this be done for urban area or even metro area. I’d be interested as some of these cities may climb or fall on this list based on urban/metro populations.

 
Old 08-25-2023, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Could this be done for urban area or even metro area. I’d be interested as some of these cities may climb or fall on this list based on urban/metro populations.
Maybe someone could do that, but municipalities record things in different ways. I didn't include Atlanta because I couldn't find data specific to the city limits, for example. Then there are places like the NY metro area which covers 3 states and hundreds of municipalities.

FYI what I posted was based on 2019 reported data.
 
Old 08-25-2023, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Ga, from Minneapolis
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Originally Posted by RocketSci View Post
List (in order) of perceived "safest"
1 Dallas
2 Boston
3 Seattle
4 Las Vegas
5 Miami
6 Minneapolis
7 Houston
8 New Orleans
9 Atlanta
10 San Francisco
11 Washington, D.C.
12 Philadelphia
13 New York
14 Los Angeles
15 Chicago
16 Detroit

List (in order) of actual lowest ("safest") to highest rate of violent crime - last number is placement among top 100 cities
1 New York 45th "safest" among 100 largest US cities
2 Las Vegas 46
3 Seattle 49
4 Boston 55
5 San Francisco 63
6 Miami 64
7 Los Angeles 68
8 Dallas 69
9 Philadelphia 75
10 Washington, D.C. 76
11 Houston 82
12 Chicago 83
13 Minneapolis 84
14 New Orleans 85
15 Detroit 98
* Atlanta was not rated

List (in order) of actual lowest ("safest") to highest rate of property crime - last number is placement among top 100 cities
1 New York 4th "safest" among 100 largest US cities
2 Boston 12
3 Los Angeles 25
4 Las Vegas 32
5 Philadelphia 36
6 Dallas 40
7 Chicago 45
8 Miami 67
9 Houston 70
10 Washington, D.C. 71
11 New Orleans 72
12 Detroit 77
13 Minneapolis 79
14 Seattle 86
15 San Francisco 96
* Atlanta was not rated

source: Wikipedia list of US cities by crime rate

So, if you order then by adding their relative position numbers, here would be the order of "safest" to least "safe"
1 New York (2)
2 Las Vegas (6)
3 Boston (6)
4 Los Angeles (10)
5 Philadelphia (14)
6 Miami (14)
7 Dallas (14)
8 Seattle (17)
9 Chicago (19)
10 San Francisco (20)
11 Houston (20)
12 Washington, D.C. (20)
13 New Orleans (25)
14 Minneapolis (26)
15 Detroit (27)
Yeah Minneapolis is not more dangerous than New Orleans lol. And using Wikipedia for a source?
 
Old 08-25-2023, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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While some of the ranking doesn't surprise me.

NOLA is safe? Like really? Between the insane homicide rate to actual crimes even within the tourist district (mostly property crime) - it's somehow ranked similarly to Houston?

And NYC is NOT dangerous at all lol...The Bronx, sure. Manhattan below Harlem? No worries at all. Then even areas like Bed-Stuy is safer than 90% of NOLA. Queens? I wouldn't be too worry either.

And LA is also quite safe compare to 1990s lol...South Central is basically now migrant central anyway.
queens has 2.5 M people and like 25 homicides this year lol.

NYC is super safe minus a few spots. To me it doesnt feel dangerous- at all except for pockets of the south bronx. Even ENY Canarsie etc feel fine.

Pretty sure anywehre in Dallas except the ritzy parts- is worse.
 
Old 08-25-2023, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Yeah Minneapolis is not more dangerous than New Orleans lol. And using Wikipedia for a source?
If Minneapolis is apparently so "dangerous" and as rough as it gets for American cities, then I guess Americans as a whole really don't need to be that concerned about crime in the US.

Sadly, perception is often extremely far from reality – especially for consumers of extreme far right media.
 
Old 08-25-2023, 08:53 AM
 
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"Dangerous" is a normative description that has a lot of subjectivity, however. You can certainly point out a high murder rate for many cities, but without context of when, where and who those murders are impacting, the description of "dangerous" is adding an emotive element to a discussion of facts.

Large cities have many different dynamics within them. And it's a fundamental misunderstanding of violent crime in literally every city to portray crime rates as though they're evenly distributed geographically and demographically. Period. Full stop.

That being said, Philly does have a high relatively rate of violent crime overall, and I'm not disputing that whatsoever. What I'm disputing is the the disproportionate focus on cities like Philadelphia and Chicago because of their perception of being large, liberal cities, compared to, say, Dallas, New Orleans, Houston, Miami, and Atlanta, which ALL have more than their share of violent crime (if not in their core cities, then certainly when accounting for all of their sprawling metro areas).
I just think getting on a city even the size of Chicago having more homicides than Britain is something that’s hard for me to consider slander. I’d be more apt to say Atlanta or Houston get a pass than Chicago or Philly or Detroit are slandered.

(Also Miami is pretty safe by American standards, typically ~30 or so homicides/year)
 
Old 08-25-2023, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Yeah Minneapolis is not more dangerous than New Orleans lol. And using Wikipedia for a source?
The Wikipedia table of United States cities by crime rate is based on Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) statistics from 2019 for the 100 most populous cities in America that have reported data to the FBI UCR system.

New Orleans has more violent crime than Minneapolis, and Minneapolis has more property crime than New Orleans, as measured by crime rate. But they are a lot closer than I realized.

Of course, crime is localized - one very bad neighborhood can bring down the score of an entire city.
 
Old 08-25-2023, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Also, as some have noted, safety is completely relative from person to person.

What's safe for "person A" may be scary and extremely unsafe for "person B."

It really depends on a person's comfort level.

For example, I have several friends here in New York who like the "somewhat grittier" neighborhoods like Bed Stuy, East New York and East Harlem. These, to them (and really to me) are not unsafe at all, on a day to day basis.

But for a tourist or small town/suburban person, these areas would scare them to death.
 
Old 08-25-2023, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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I just think getting on a city even the size of Chicago having more homicides than Britain is something that’s hard for me to consider slander. I’d be more apt to say Atlanta or Houston get a pass than Chicago or Philly or Detroit are slandered.

(Also Miami is pretty safe by American standards, typically ~30 or so homicides/year)
There's absolutely much more crime in South Florida than people often understand. The difference is that the violent crime dynamic in Sun Belt cities is MUCH more decentralized. It's not discussed as often, because it's not in the core city. This kind of stuff is FAR more common in suburban areas, and it happens fairly often. All within the past couple of weeks:

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/o...dens-shooting/

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/b...th-lauderdale/

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...jured/3095162/

https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-da...-in-homestead/

By comparison, in places like Chicago and Philly, crime is FAR more predictable to hyper-localized areas and timing.
 
Old 08-25-2023, 10:00 AM
 
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There's absolutely much more crime in South Florida than people often understand. The difference is that the violent crime dynamic in Sun Belt cities is MUCH more decentralized. It's not discussed as often, because it's not in the core city. This kind of stuff is FAR more common in suburban areas, and it happens fairly often. All within the past couple of weeks:

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/o...dens-shooting/

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/b...th-lauderdale/

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...jured/3095162/

https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-da...-in-homestead/

By comparison, in places like Chicago and Philly, crime is FAR more predictable to hyper-localized areas and timing.
Yes but even the people who believe Boston is dangerous do not believe Marblehead, Weston or Hingham is. Everyone are talking about City propers.

So beautiful leafy suburban Bucks County is well, not Philadelphia.

Like yes, Sunrise Florida is worse than Media PA but that’s not really relevant to this discussion
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