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View Poll Results: Which has the Better Architecture, Structure, Vibe?
Cincinnati 124 50.20%
St. Louis 123 49.80%
Voters: 247. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-27-2013, 01:28 AM
 
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cincinnati is smaller and much, much, much more conservative than st. louis.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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^ That's debatable. Cincinnati, the city proper, is anything but conservative. Its outer suburbs, most certainly; its urban core, absolutely not. And, as far as size, if the reality of the fast-emerging CIN-DAY is factored in, the difference in metropolitan size becomes quite different.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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^ That's debatable. Cincinnati, the city proper, is anything but conservative. Its outer suburbs, most certainly; its urban core, absolutely not. And, as far as size, if the reality of the fast-emerging CIN-DAY is factored in, the difference in metropolitan size becomes quite different.
overall the cincinnati metropolitan area is much more conservative than metropolitan st. louis, that is absolutely not debatable. hamilton county is considered a "gop stronghold" in ohio, and it got plenty of airplay during the election season. the city of cincinnati even has at least one republican city council member. the city of st. louis hasn't elected a republican alderman (or any republican official, for that matter) since 1972. st. louis city and neighboring st. louis county have long been solid blue democratic strongholds and there is plenty of data to back that up. hamilton county may be leaning more to the left than in decades past, but it's still about 50/50, and that includes the city of cincinnati. st. louis county does not even include st. louis city and it's still 60% democratic. the city of st. louis is nearly 90% democratic. yes, i realize that democratic doesn't automatically equal liberal, but it's very clear that st. louis and its suburbs are much, much more liberal than cincinnati. cleveland would be more comparable. this is really not disputable.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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Too easy: St Louis.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:59 PM
 
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Each city has a great characteristics but for me Cincinnati edges st. louis out in most of the categories except for obvious categories like transportation and diversity but the other categories are very close between the two magnificent cities.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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^ Yay, Cali! Most of all, I appreciated your conclusion about TWO great cities, rather than just one.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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cleveland would be more comparable. this is really not disputable.
I'll say it again:

In all respects except built environment, St Louis and Cleveland are very comparable to one another in the same ways that KC and Cincy are. You probably couldn't find better paired cities anywhere. The only thing that makes those comparisons strange is that KC and Cleveland have a more similar architectural vernacular, and St Louis and Cincy do as well.

Now, if only Columbia, MO was more like Columbus, OH...
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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Cincinnati for me. More cosmopolitan, larger downtown, more large-scale neighborhoods, not isolated, better riverfront. St. Louis has a larger metro population b/c if you lived in that part of the country (SW Illinois, East Missouri), you might as well live in the St. Louis area. There isn't another substantial city for at least 230 miles in any direction. From Cincinnati, Columbus is 100 miles, Indianapolis a little over 100 and Dayton 45 miles, creating competition for Cincinnati. The Interstate 75 region between Dayton and Cincinnati is almost fully developed and rapidly growing into a full-fledged metroplex of 3.2 million. All things considered, Cincinnati has more traffic and feels busier and more of a hub than St. Louis.
Great post, as another poster mentioned St. Louis downtown is larger in terms of size but cincinnatis downtown is 13,214 and grew 12% while St. Louis is 11,800 and grew at 6%, obviously Cincinnati population is growing twice as fast as St. Louis downtown population. As you said the metro population is larger then Cincys when all in reality Dayton metro is right next to Cincy metro and when you add the two together you get 3.2 million which i wont be surprised if that happens in the next 5-15 years. Also Cincinnati is located within a 600 mile radius of 45% of the Nations population. Yes the 1-75 is completely developed i wont count northern Kentucky since the highway is on the same path as the 1-71 but north of their to Dayton from 1-275 they just keep adding and adding lanes to it. i wouldn't say it is a stop and go traffic it is more like a heavy traffic moving at a somewhat slow pace north of the 1-275. With so many hills in Cincy creates a nice vibe of the neighborhood you are in, everything is kind of like a community even in areas of cincy. With St. Louis having 5 buildings over 400ft and cincy having 7 buildings over 400 ft and having the tallest building out of the two. Also i feel like Cincinnati downtown is a bit more progressive over St. Louis downtown.
http://www.urbancincy.com/2012/05/th...ncinnati-home/

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/s...0/daily14.html
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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Great post, as another poster mentioned St. Louis downtown is larger in terms of size but cincinnatis downtown is 13,214 and grew 12% while St. Louis is 11,800 and grew at 6%, obviously Cincinnati population is growing twice as fast as St. Louis downtown population. As you said the metro population is larger then Cincys when all in reality Dayton metro is right next to Cincy metro and when you add the two together you get 3.2 million which i wont be surprised if that happens in the next 5-15 years. Also Cincinnati is located within a 600 mile radius of 45% of the Nations population. Yes the 1-75 is completely developed i wont count northern Kentucky since the highway is on the same path as the 1-71 but north of their to Dayton from 1-275 they just keep adding and adding lanes to it. i wouldn't say it is a stop and go traffic it is more like a heavy traffic moving at a somewhat slow pace north of the 1-275. With so many hills in Cincy creates a nice vibe of the neighborhood you are in, everything is kind of like a community even in areas of cincy. With St. Louis having 5 buildings over 400ft and cincy having 7 buildings over 400 ft and having the tallest building out of the two. Also i feel like Cincinnati downtown is a bit more progressive over St. Louis downtown.
Thousands of new residents now calling downtown Cincinnati home — UrbanCincy

Downtown St. Louis population grows 6% - St. Louis Business Journal
interesting perspective, but talking about progressive downtowns, cincinnati is just now building a single streetcar line after much political infighting, while st. louis has had a relatively extensive light rail system since 1993 (with very solid ridership), the downtown portion of which uses century-old subway tunnels. not sure how you truly classify which is "more progressive" but it seems they both have strengths in different areas.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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interesting perspective, but talking about progressive downtowns, cincinnati is just now building a single streetcar line after much political infighting, while st. louis has had a relatively extensive light rail system since 1993 (with very solid ridership), the downtown portion of which uses century-old subway tunnels. not sure how you truly classify which is "more progressive" but it seems they both have strengths in different areas.
Transportation is the only thing keeping Cincy behind St. Louis downtown but then again we are building a streetcar system and major plans for it to extend much more. Hopefully are terrible republican goverment wont take money away
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