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Excuse me, the 9-county San Francisco Bay Area has 7.2 million, not 7.5 million, my mistake.
This is a consensus, and its what the US Census bureau says. Im not overstating anything. The Bay Area is typically considered San Mateo, Santa Clara, San Francisco, Alameda, Contra Costa, Napa, Sonoma, Marin, and Solano counties. Its still an area much smaller than many other CSAs. And, it has 7.2 million people.
eh... then 15 for paris, mostly urbanized, 11.5 for ile de france alone, over only 4,600 square miles,
7.2, as you say for over 7000 square miles in bay area.
I've spent quite a bit of time in both...have lived in both for brief stints, there is no comparison.
paris is 2x denser than nyc...think about it.
Oh, I agree its no comparison. I just wanted to clear up the fact that the bay area does have nearly 7.5 million people.
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eh... then 15 for paris, mostly urbanized, 11.5 for ile de france alone, over only 4,600 square miles,
7.2, as you say for over 7000 square miles in bay area.
I've spent quite a bit of time in both...have lived in both for brief stints, there is no comparison.
paris is 2x denser than nyc...think about it.
Oh, I agree its no comparison. I just wanted to clear up the fact that the bay area does have nearly 7.5 million people.
OK no worries, I was getting SF/Oak information the first hand. Even though I personally would never want to make that SJ/SF commute, I know it has very strong ties to SF and the region.
Paris have a bad reputation when infact most are nice, calm... some are bad but it is only a minority, anyway today some of biggest Paris business center like La Defense are in suburbs.
Many suburbs are very urban and dense, we speak more nad more of greater Paris city that include the inner city with the inner suburbs.
Sure Paris has large minorities, Paris has like any big city quite many nasty districts but saying that Paris is a slum is really exagerating.
The picture that you posted show Barbes, a working class commercial district.
I admit that you can find worse districts than Barbes but it is no way the average of Paris
As a non white french, I don't think that your comment about a genocide was correct and appropriate.
Believe me, Paris in 1930's has plenty of southern and eastern european immigrants.
At this time, Paris was maybe the most cosmopolitan place in the world with american, japanese and other people from all around the globe.
We all know Josephine Beker, Hemingway...
It was also full of slum, housing condition were very bad.
Paris in 1950's was surrounded by shanty towns, mostly populated by immigrant from southern europe, northern africa and rural France.
Multicultural Paris is nothing...
Sure Paris of today is far more diverse than it was in 1930's or 1950's.
Barbes is far cleaner than it was 70 or 50 years ago.
Some other pics of Paris (yah I know I never show monuments )
Not only does it have strong ties, it's SF and SJ are only 40 miles apart, with a continuous urban area between them.
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OK no worries, I was getting SF/Oak information the first hand. Even though I personally would never want to make that SJ/SF commute, I know it has very strong ties to SF and the region.
Im still not seeing the leaps and bounds. Those pics make paris look like an average city. With no buildings over 20 feet
That doesn't mean anything. Berlin, Paris, Buenos Aires, Montreal, etc lack the huge skyscraper districts found in many American cities, but on the contrary, how many of those cities rival their city/streetscapes, urban cohesion, nightlife, walking and transit culture, cafe culture, etc. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a human-scaled Berlin than a sprawly, traffic-marred Atlanta.
I mean, look at Portland. Portland blows many cities larger than it out of the water when it comes to urbanism, night life, livability, etc. Skyscrapers, many of them which are monolithic structures devoid of life after 5pm, don't dictate what is or isn't a city.
That doesn't mean anything. Berlin, Paris, Buenos Aires, Montreal, etc lack the huge skyscraper districts found in many American cities, but on the contrary, how many of those cities rival their city/streetscapes, urban cohesion, nightlife, walking and transit culture, cafe culture, etc. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a human-scaled Berlin than a sprawly, traffic-marred Atlanta.
I mean, look at Portland. Portland blows many cities larger than it out of the water when it comes to urbanism, night life, livability, etc. Skyscrapers, many of them which are monolithic structures devoid of life after 5pm, don't dictate what is or isn't a city.
Oh, but Paris DOES have a huge skyscraper district in La Defense.
And, perhaps you should visit Atlanta before you mindlessly repeat what others here say. You may be surprised.
I never said it didn't. They have that, but its not in the city limits proper, and its contained to one area. All of those cities have them, but they are supplanted by vibrant, human-scaled neighborhoods that are teeming and buzzing with activity and traffic.
And, uh..I have indeed been to Atlanta. I don't know about everything other said, but there is definitely some truth to some of it; the traffic and sprawl are both hellish and nightmarish. Nothing sheepish about that statement.
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