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I wouldn't consider Kansas City at all southern. Way more so northern comparing to Minneapolis or Chicago.
that said, I would say Cinci or Stl have a good amount of southern influence. I would never think either as southern cities though.
St. Louis has no more Southern influence than Kansas City. Cincinnati is slightly more Southern I would say because of its political leniences and its proximity to a state in the Upper South. KC and St. Louis aren't anywhere near a Southern state. Regardless, all three of these cities are much more like Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit than Louisville, Memphis, or Nashville.
slower pace of life, manners, level of aristocracy, charm, availability of sweet tea/bbq, friendliness, attractive women, etc.
manners, aristocracy, and charm are not necessarily Southern things. Those are high society things that can be found everywhere. You cant tell me that most Southerners live that kind of lifestyle. There are lots of low class Southerners who fit the numerous stereotypes. Not everyone in the South is living in your imaginairy world.
manners, aristocracy, and charm are not necessarily Southern things. Those are high society things that can be found everywhere. You cant tell me that most Southerners live that kind of lifestyle. There are lots of low class Southerners who fit the numerous stereotypes. Not everyone in the South is living in your imaginairy world.
manners, aristocracy, and charm are not necessarily Southern things. Those are high society things that can be found everywhere. You cant tell me that most Southerners live that kind of lifestyle. There are lots of low class Southerners who fit the numerous stereotypes. Not everyone in the South is living in your imaginairy world.
No kidding. I thought Margaret Mitchell was dead.
Anyways, my vote goes to Baltimore. It's culture is unique enough that it can go either way without sticking out too far. Tidewater Maryland seemed pretty Southern to me.
St. Louis did have a hint of Southerness to it. It seemed a little more genteel than cities like Mpls. and Chgo. -- it seemed like there were things that were socially acceptable in Mpls. and Chgo. that weren't in St. Louis. Those differences were quite slight, though. Plus, I had to drive through Hannibal to get there. No way in hell was that Midwestern.
St. Louis has no more Southern influence than Kansas City. Cincinnati is slightly more Southern I would say because of its political leniences and its proximity to a state in the Upper South. KC and St. Louis aren't anywhere near a Southern state. Regardless, all three of these cities are much more like Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit than Louisville, Memphis, or Nashville.
No kidding. I thought Margaret Mitchell was dead.
Anyways, my vote goes to Baltimore. It's culture is unique enough that it can go either way without sticking out too far. Tidewater Maryland seemed pretty Southern to me.
St. Louis did have a hint of Southerness to it. It seemed a little more genteel than cities like Mpls. and Chgo. -- it seemed like there were things that were socially acceptable in Mpls. and Chgo. that weren't in St. Louis. Those differences were quite slight, though. Plus, I had to drive through Hannibal to get there. No way in hell was that Midwestern.
Hannibal is definitely Midwestern without a doubt. 'It's not the Upper Midwest, it's the Lower Midwest. The people there talk with a Midwestern accent, the culture is Midwestern, the cuisine is Midwestern...there is nothing Southern about it at least today. Any ties it has to the South are mainly pre-Civil War. It is on big Mississippi river bluffs which would probably give it a slightly different look and feel to it than the atypical Midwestern town but Springfield, Illinois is 100 miles due east, and Illinois is just across the river. Midwestern culture, farmland, attitudes, and lifestyle are prominent in that area. The Northern half of Missouri is solidly Midwestern. I know several people from Hannibal, some people who have been old natives to that area...they are definitely Midwesterners for sure, much more like Illinois and Iowa than Arkansas and Kentucky.
Slavery by itself doesn't make a state Southern, anyone with common sense knows that. Missouri's economy didn't depend on slavery, and it sent twice as many men to fight for the Union than it did for the Confederacy in the Civil War. Missouri also ruled that Dred Scott was free, but the U.S. Supreme Court justice Roger Taney over-ruled it. Missouri's black population also grew in numbers during the Great Migration. No Southern state had that characteristic, not even Kentucky. It also outlawed slavery on its own before the end of the Civil War. How about you suck it?
No kidding. I thought Margaret Mitchell was dead.
Anyways, my vote goes to Baltimore. It's culture is unique enough that it can go either way without sticking out too far. Tidewater Maryland seemed pretty Southern to me.
St. Louis did have a hint of Southerness to it. It seemed a little more genteel than cities like Mpls. and Chgo. -- it seemed like there were things that were socially acceptable in Mpls. and Chgo. that weren't in St. Louis. Those differences were quite slight, though. Plus, I had to drive through Hannibal to get there. No way in hell was that Midwestern.
People from the Upper Midwest don't seem to understand that the Lower Midwest has some Southern influence to it, but is still very distinct from the Upper South. Again, why Hannibal doesn't strike you as Midwestern is beyond me. It feels no different than Quincy, Illinois or Keokuk, Iowa to me. Most of the rural Midwestern towns are a lot like Hannibal...conservative, old, run-down, and laid-back. Same attitudes, feel, culture, and way of life. St. Louis, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Columbus, and Kansas City all are slightly different in attitudes than the cities of the Upper Midwest, but again, as you pointed out, very little difference. The Upper Midwest and Lower Midwest are different from one another, but just like the Upper South and Deep South, they are more alike than different.
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