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Seriously, NYC runs away with this by default. Numerically speaking, you will find every combination of couple possible, and will see minorities from the globe in positions not normally 'reserved' for them. The U.S. still sucks when it comes to race and racial integration, but NYC is clearly the best of the bunch.
Seriously, NYC runs away with this by default. Numerically speaking, you will find every combination of couple possible, and will see minorities from the globe in positions not normally 'reserved' for them. The U.S. still sucks when it comes to race and racial integration, but NYC is clearly the best of the bunch.
I think Obama beat him on that front.
All jokes aside, it's hard to measure integration, because there is residential integration and social integration. New York is highly residentially segregated, but you will find that in any city with traditional ethnic enclaves. There are southern cities with high levels of residential integration, where no one socializes with anyone outside of the race. New York is more highly socially integrated that most of cities.
NYC is definitely not the most integrated city in the US. People still live in their own neighborhoods for the most part. It's not as segregated as Chicago or Detroit but it's not as integrated as Houston or the I.E.
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I think Obama beat him on that front.
All jokes aside, it's hard to measure integration, because there is residential integration and social integration. New York is highly residentially segregated, but you will find that in any city with traditional ethnic enclaves. There are southern cities with high levels of residential integration, where no one socializes with anyone outside of the race. New York is more highly socially integrated that most of cities.
Haha, well I meant first major white politician with a black wife. But you're spot on about the differences between residential integration and social integration, and imo, social integration is far more important than residential integration. Socialization breaks down barriers, not just proximity.
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NYC is definitely not the most integrated city in the US. People still live in their own neighborhoods for the most part. It's not as segregated as Chicago or Detroit but it's not as integrated as Houston or the I.E.
But that's residential integration, not social integration. Social integration is way more important, particularly when it comes to the workplace, equal rights, and equal treatment by the law. While NYC is no utopia and still is a laggard in all of these metrics, I can't think of a U.S. city that does better than it, in terms of all races, ethnicities and social classes interacting with each other regularly, both good and bad. Call it a crutch, but high population density has its benefits.
Seriously, NYC runs away with this by default. Numerically speaking, you will find every combination of couple possible, and will see minorities from the globe in positions not normally 'reserved' for them. The U.S. still sucks when it comes to race and racial integration, but NYC is clearly the best of the bunch.
I think a lot of people claim that NYC is "most segregated" because of a New York Times article they read, yet recently NYT contradicted that claim with an article claiming Chicago as being way more segregated! I think that in the former, they didn't take certain things into account which led to an inaccurate claim.
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NYC is definitely not the most integrated city in the US. People still live in their own neighborhoods for the most part. It's not as segregated as Chicago or Detroit but it's not as integrated as Houston or the I.E.
It's probably not the most integrated but I disagree with the bolded. Aside from swaths of Southeast Queens and Eastern Brooklyn that are largely black, and swaths of South Shore Staten Island that are largely white, most neighborhoods are integrated to some degree, with many neighborhoods being very diverse.
Haha, well I meant first major white politician with a black wife. But you're spot on about the differences between residential integration and social integration, and imo, social integration is far more important than residential integration. Socialization breaks down barriers, not just proximity.
But that's residential integration, not social integration. Social integration is way more important, particularly when it comes to the workplace, equal rights, and equal treatment by the law. While NYC is no utopia and still is a laggard in all of these metrics, I can't think of a U.S. city that does better than it, in terms of all races, ethnicities and social classes interacting with each other regularly, both good and bad. Call it a crutch, but high population density has its benefits.
NYC isn't even residentially segregated for the most part, you should see the neighborhoods in Brooklyn that I frequent. My grandmother's neighborhood of Kensington is extremely diverse.
[quote=Cart24;8704124]This is incorrect, while Toronto is a very good example of multiculturalism, it is actually one of the most segregated cities in Canada. Since Canada does not have the wealth of information on Housing Patterns and segregation that the US does, it is a little harder to find information on racial segregation, but read the studies conducted by Allan Walks and Larry Bourne.
Sacramento is a good example but if you read the Housing Pattern studies that have been posted Houston is a very segregated city, especially for Hispanics.
Agreed
I would remove DC and Boston from that list
I almost fell out of my chair when I read this. Anybody that has lived in DC for any amount of time knows there is nothing integrated about it. I think somebody has already said it. But diversity doesn't necessarily equal integration. DC is easily one of the most segregated cities in the US and the statistics reflect that. In fact the entire DC region is segregated when you carefully look at it.
(Especially Boston when factoring in the diverse student population that lives basically anywhere cheap), they are both far from being the most segregated in the country, they are not even in the top 10 based on the US Census.
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