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Old 05-04-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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Ask Oakland or San Jose if they care about the "centerpiece." San Francisco can stand on its own merits.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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Here are stats from 2000 for neighborhoods along the north side, northwest and over to west/southwest.

This is where most of the people in the city live. The southside has huge swaths of industrial areas, and O'hare is massive as well with no one living there:

Neighborhood / Population / Size
Rogers Park - 63,484 - 1.85
Edgewater - 62,198 - 2.73
Uptown - 63,551 - 2.31
Lakeview - 94,817 - 3.16
Lincoln Park - 64,320 - 3.19
Near North - 72,811 - 2.72
Near West - 87,435 - 4.57
Logan Square - 82,715 - 3.23
Avondale - 43,083 - 2.00
West Ridge - 73,199 - 3.53
Lincoln Square - 44,574 - 2.57
North Center - 31,895 - 2.07
Lower West - 44,031 - 2.80
south lawndale - 91,071 - 4.44
humbolt park - 100,236 - 3.62
hermosa - 26,908 - 1.17
belmont craigin - 78,144 - 3.94

49.9 square miles, roughly equal to San Fran, 1,124,472 people

22,534 per square mile.

I don't know if those are the densest neighborhoods in the city, but they're all in areas where there's a ton of residential.
Nice work, people here tend to sleep on the expansiveness of Chicago's dense neighborhoods. SF is comparable, but it is not as dense as Chicago for as large of an area, which is something I have said on this board before.

And yes, prelude is right, Chicagos densest continuous 23 Square miles (according to US Census numbers from 2000) is about 650K, or about 28k/sq mile, far less than Manhattans Census 2000 number of 67k/sq mile (est at 70k now), but greater than SF's (which in a thread on SSC was found to be about 22k/sq mile.) Both Chicagos and SFs densest neighborhoods should be up since 2000 though, considering all the infill for both cities.

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Old 05-04-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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Yeah, great, it's dense. How about try living in Hunter's Point, East Oakland, or Vallejo?

I bet the people dying in those ghettos could care less about the "density".
The only thing dying is your brain cells. What does your post have to do with density in SF?

Nothing, but it exposes yet another person with Bay Envy.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Here are some numbers:

Daly City: 13,703 people per sq. mile

Berkeley density: 9823 people per sq mile

Oakland density: 7126 people per sq mile

Not to mention, SF's density (and these other cities) has increased greatly since the 2000 census.
The funny thing is if you took the two main cities right next to Boston, Somerville and Cambridge, the density of Boston would actually go up. Cambridge has a density of over 15,000/sq mi and Somerville has a density of over 18,000/sq mi.

San Francisco is awesomely dense, however it's not even close to the most dense of the "small border cities"...that title easily goes to Paris, which is about 3 3/4 times more dense than San Fran.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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Nice work, people here tend to sleep on the expansiveness of Chicago's dense neighborhoods. SF is comparable, but it is not as dense as Chicago for as large of an area, which is something I have said on this board before.

And yes, prelude is right, Chicagos densest continuous 23 Square miles (according to US Census numbers from 2000) is about 650K, or about 28k/sq mile, far less than Manhattans Census 2000 number of 67k/sq mile (est at 70k now), but greater than SF's (which in a thread on SSC was found to be about 22k/sq mile.) Both Chicagos and SFs densest neighborhoods should be up since 2000 though, considering all the infill for both cities.
Yeah, I don't get down to the south side very often, but you forget that there's a LOT of vacant land down there, or industrial, lakes, etc.

I looked, and if you add up 5 neighborhoods along the South Side and also O'hare Airport you get this:

Population / Size

8,921 - 4.85
9,809 - 3.36
9,781 - 4.78
17,002 - 14.42
11,995 - 18.0

That's 57,508 people in 45.41 square miles. Only 1,266 people per square mile. Drop off that largely vacant chunk of the city and the remaining 80% increases quickly in density above the official 12,600 or whatever.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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Neighborhood / Population / Size
Rogers Park - 63,484 - 1.85
Edgewater - 62,198 - 2.73
Uptown - 63,551 - 2.31
Lakeview - 94,817 - 3.16
Lincoln Park - 64,320 - 3.19
Near North - 72,811 - 2.72
Near West - 87,435 - 4.57
Logan Square - 82,715 - 3.23
Avondale - 43,083 - 2.00
West Ridge - 73,199 - 3.53
Lincoln Square - 44,574 - 2.57
North Center - 31,895 - 2.07
Lower West - 44,031 - 2.80
south lawndale - 91,071 - 4.44
humbolt park - 100,236 - 3.62
hermosa - 26,908 - 1.17
belmont craigin - 78,144 - 3.94
Simple Division reveals a lot.

Population Density Per Square Mile
Chicago

Rogers Park 34,315
Lakeview 30,015
Edgewater 22,783
Uptown 27,511
humbolt park 27,689
Near North 26,768
Logan Square 25,608
hermosa 22,998
Lincoln Park 20,163
Avondale 21,541
West Ridge 20,736
south lawndale 20,511
belmont craigin 19,833
Near West 19,132
Lincoln Square 17,343
Lower West 15,725
North Center 15,408


Population Density Per Square Mile
San Francisco

Tenderloin 87,037
Lower Nob Hill 86,345
Chinatown 66,645
Nob Hill 58,432
Downtown 55,099
Little Saigon 52,431
Polk Gulch 44,430
NOMA 43,184
Telegraph Hill 46,618
North Beach 38,726
Hayes Valley 36,699
Alamo Square 35,291
NOPA 32,041
Russian Hill 31,634
Lower Pacific Heights 30,830
Noe Valley 26,030
Pacific Heights 25,344
Castro 22,040
Civic Center 20,070
Duboce Triange 20,351
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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The funny thing is if you took the two main cities right next to Boston, Somerville and Cambridge, the density of Boston would actually go up. Cambridge has a density of over 15,000/sq mi and Somerville has a density of over 18,000/sq mi.

San Francisco is awesomely dense, however it's not even close to the most dense of the "small border cities"...that title easily goes to Paris, which is about 3 3/4 times more dense than San Fran.
I think there are probably a lot of places like this around the country. Mostly the older streetcar suburbs. You have a lot of density because there are many aspects such as CBD's or airports, seaports, expressways and industrial areas that you see in central cities that drop down the density.

For instance in Chicago you can lump on Cicero (85,616 people) and Berwyn (54,016 people) and you'd be pulling the Chicago density number upwards.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Simple Division reveals a lot.

Population Density Per Square Mile
Chicago
Rogers Park 34,315
Lakeview 30,015
Edgewater 22,783
Uptown 27,511
humbolt park 27,689
Near North 26,768
Logan Square 25,608
hermosa 22,998
Lincoln Park 20,163
Avondale 21,541
West Ridge 20,736
south lawndale 20,511
belmont craigin 19,833
Near West 19,132
Lincoln Square 17,343
Lower West 15,725
North Center 15,408


Population Density Per Square Mile
San Francisco
Tenderloin 87,037
Lower Nob Hill 86,345
Chinatown 66,645
Nob Hill 58,432
Downtown 55,099
Little Saigon 52,431
Polk Gulch 44,430
NOMA 43,184
Telegraph Hill 46,618
North Beach 38,726
Hayes Valley 36,699
Alamo Square 35,291
NOPA 32,041
Russian Hill 31,634
Lower Pacific Heights 30,830
Noe Valley 26,030
Pacific Heights 25,344
Castro 22,040
Civic Center 20,070
Duboce Triange 20,351
Where are you getting these statistics? This has a much different population density for the Tenderloin. I'd understand if it was a slightly different density, but you're listing it as double the population density as this other source (87,000 vs 44,000)...just curious.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:50 AM
 
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Simple Division reveals a lot.

Population Density Per Square Mile
Chicago

Rogers Park 34,315
Lakeview 30,015
Edgewater 22,783
Uptown 27,511
humbolt park 27,689
Near North 26,768
Logan Square 25,608
hermosa 22,998
Lincoln Park 20,163
Avondale 21,541
West Ridge 20,736
south lawndale 20,511
belmont craigin 19,833
Near West 19,132
Lincoln Square 17,343
Lower West 15,725
North Center 15,408


Population Density Per Square Mile
San Francisco

Tenderloin 87,037
Lower Nob Hill 86,345
Chinatown 66,645
Nob Hill 58,432
Downtown 55,099
Little Saigon 52,431
Polk Gulch 44,430
NOMA 43,184
Telegraph Hill 46,618
North Beach 38,726
Hayes Valley 36,699
Alamo Square 35,291
NOPA 32,041
Russian Hill 31,634
Lower Pacific Heights 30,830
Noe Valley 26,030
Pacific Heights 25,344
Castro 22,040
Civic Center 20,070
Duboce Triange 20,351
Nice. Do you know where those come from? I was looking around out of curiosity, and I keep finding Tenderloin area with 28,991 people in the neighborhoods .65 square miles for a total of 44,408 per square mile.

Where's the 87,037? City-data lists 72,429 per square mile, but I think they are getting confused on their numbers. They list the same population, but only 1/3 of a square mile of land area, which doesn't tie to anything from the 2000 census. City-data has funky stuff for Chicago too I've noticed. They don't always compare the correct populations with square mileage. The silly fools.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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The funny thing is if you took the two main cities right next to Boston, Somerville and Cambridge, the density of Boston would actually go up. Cambridge has a density of over 15,000/sq mi and Somerville has a density of over 18,000/sq mi.

San Francisco is awesomely dense, however it's not even close to the most dense of the "small border cities"...that title easily goes to Paris, which is about 3 3/4 times more dense than San Fran.
Oakland and Berkeley are both one fifth parkland and nearly a quarter of East Oakland and half of West Oakland, is industrial.

As far as where people live, Oakland and Berkeley have much higher average population densities than what the official total for the city is.
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