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Old 05-04-2009, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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Phoenix, Houston, Denver, Charlotte, Orlando, Atlanta, Nashville, Dallas, Albuquerque, Kansas City, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Indianapolis, Portland, Austin, Oklahoma City, Tampa, Little Rock, Louisville, Salt Lake City, Omaha... Pretty much the entire Southern US, the Great Plains, and all of the Rocky Mountain states.
LOL...I guess my definition of truly urban is different from yours.
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Old 05-04-2009, 06:37 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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LOL...I guess my definition of truly urban is different from yours.
suburban sprawl is the new urban.
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Old 05-04-2009, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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LOL...I guess my definition of truly urban is different from yours.
urban - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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I have higher standards than both you and Merriam Webster.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Cardboard box
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LOL...you mean there are truly urban cities that arent densely populated? Such as where?

Los Angeles and Oakland come to mind.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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Los Angeles and Oakland come to mind.
Well, both those cities have areas that are urban. True.

I guess even the most urban cities have areas that are not totally urban. SF has its areas that are dense but not necessarily urban.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:18 PM
 
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I have higher standards than both you and Merriam Webster.

Well aren't you the fastidious genteel individual.... The prince of Oakland every one.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Denver
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^^ @ 18montclair saying "I have higher standards for an urban area": So do I. I agree that almost none of those other cities should be considered "urban"

SF's transit system is pretty good, but it should be better for a city of it's size and style. It's not nearly as good as NYC's Subway (obviously, NYC rules the US), but it's ridership is also overwhelmingly lower than Chicago, Boston, Philly and DC.

Here's the numbers of Ave Weekday Ridership (Heavy, Light, Commuter, Bus):

San Fran: 848,800 a day

Philly: 1,153,500 or 36% more

Boston: 1,209,800 or 43% more

DC: 1,435,900 or 69% more

Chicago: 2,002,200 or 135.9% more.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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Well aren't you the fastidious genteel individual.... The prince of Oakland every one.
Surpsingly, this is not the first time Ive been called that.

Actually, am I being presumtive to assume that you know what Im talking about? Perhaps I should have said "urban vitality."
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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^^ @ 18montclair saying "I have higher standards for an urban area": So do I. I agree that almost none of those other cities should be considered "urban"

SF's transit system is pretty good, but it should be better for a city of it's size and style. It's not nearly as good as NYC's Subway (obviously, NYC rules the US), but it's ridership is also overwhelmingly lower than Chicago, Boston, Philly and DC.

Here's the numbers of Ave Weekday Ridership (Heavy, Light, Commuter, Bus):

San Fran: 848,800 a day

Philly: 1,153,500 or 36% more

Boston: 1,209,800 or 43% more

DC: 1,435,900 or 69% more

Chicago: 2,002,200 or 135.9% more.
Actually when we compare ridership to actual population, the ratio of riders to residents in SF is 1 to 1. Not so in Chicago or Philly.

And that SF number doesnt take BART into account, only MUNI. Many SFcans use BART too.

Plus, MUNI only covers the city proper. Not suburbs. Dunno if DC and Boston's numbers are only for 'within city limits'. If so, kudos.
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