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Old 07-29-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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Laughable? A downtown that is more walkable than most, has dozens of restaurants and nightlife locales, and seems to be doing a good job of growing is laughable? Not everyone likes gentrified old buildings with 'character'. Personally, I like new buildings and new storefronts.

Does "character" mean rat problems like most older cities?
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:40 PM
 
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First I want to add to what others have said already in that LA, San Diego, and Philly are already major cities. I think there is no debating that. IMO Seattle and Minneapolis are also major cities for that matter.

I see Phoenix, Las Vegas, Charlotte, Austin, Raleigh, Orlando, Tampa, Milwaukee, Nashville, Louisville, KC, St. Louis, and Portland to join that lists. Phoenix is the sleeper of the larger cities because it already huge but I don't hear too much about innovation that is going on. I think that same lack plagues my home city of Charlotte. The problem with Charlotte is that it is trying to copy other cities instead of becoming its own. But that is another topic. This innovation is what makes cities like Austin, Raleigh, and Portland so neat. I have heard of Milwaukee doing some new work to make itself better so that's cool.
All in all, I still feel my home city of Charlotte will emerge as a major city in the ranks of our bigger sibling Atlanta.
I agree Charlotte is trying to copy Atlanta and is not innovative. Same for Phoenix I lived recently in both and don't like either. I think Austin has a long way to go in developing a strong pro sports market which is what it needs to be taken more seriously than a liberal city in TEXAS with a great party scene and a few jobs. I like Denver and Pittsburgh for reinnovation.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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I agree Charlotte is trying to copy Atlanta and is not innovative. Same for Phoenix I lived recently in both and don't like either. I think Austin has a long way to go in developing a strong pro sports market which is what it needs to be taken more seriously than a liberal city in TEXAS with a great party scene and a few jobs. I like Denver and Pittsburgh for reinnovation.

Copying Atlanta? How, are the women fat, sweaty and excessively materialistic for no reason at all?
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Modesto, CA
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What about Sacramento? It has grown very fast and now has a metro area of about 2.2 million. Unfortunately most of its growth has been sprawl, but the midtown/downtown areas have really improved and are continuing to do so. Also, there arent really any fortune 500 companies, but we are the head of the giant state of California. We have a decent airport, a major railroad hub, decent public transportation, a top notch university(UCD), pro sports(though I dont know for how long, maybe the A's will move here), a ton of diversity(supposedly we're one of the most diverse cities in the world), and are close to so many world class destinations.


Also Las Vegas. It already has international recognition, and it is growing so fast. It is definitely turning into a major city. Rather than just an adult playground.

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Old 07-29-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Orlando - South
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How can Charlotte, NC be considered a major city before Tampa, FL? Yeah Charlottes population is 716k compared to Tampas 340k, but look at Charlottes land area comapred to Tampas. Charlotte: 280 sq miles, Tampa: 112 sq miles. Plus Charlottes metro population is only 2 million, compared to Tampas metro population of 4 million. Tampa aslo has more of an urban core than Charlotte. In all seriousness, can someone explain to me how charolette is more of a major city, cause i really dont understand how it could be.
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach/Norfolk.
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How can Charlotte, NC be considered a major city before Tampa, FL? Yeah Charlottes population is 716k compared to Tampas 340k, but look at Charlottes land area comapred to Tampas. Charlotte: 280 sq miles, Tampa: 170 sq miles. Plus Charlottes metro population is only 2 million, compared to Tampas metro population of 4 million. Tampa aslo has more of an urban core than Charlotte. In all seriousness, can someone explain to me how charolette is more of a major city, cause i really dont understand how it could be.
Maybe because Tampa has 2 fortune 500 companies and Charlotte has 9?
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:01 PM
 
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I'd say Austin.
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:04 PM
 
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Miami, Atlanta, Sacramento CA, Austin, Phoenix, Las Vegas
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:10 PM
 
Location: 602/520
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I agree Charlotte is trying to copy Atlanta and is not innovative. Same for Phoenix I lived recently in both and don't like either. I think Austin has a long way to go in developing a strong pro sports market which is what it needs to be taken more seriously than a liberal city in TEXAS with a great party scene and a few jobs. I like Denver and Pittsburgh for reinnovation.
How can Charlotte copy Atlanta? Last time I checked, Charlotte was significantly larger than Atlanta in both land area and population. Charlotte also has a light-rail system that Atlanta doesn't have.

Charlotte was incorporated in 1768, Atlanta in 1847. How does on an older city copy a younger city?

Phoenix is not copying Atlanta. Phoenix has 4 times as many people as Atlanta. If anything, Phoenix is copying Los Angeles.
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:35 PM
 
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Because Atlanta has a much bigger central business district due to its large metro population? And MARTA with 4 lines and built in the 70s, is a much more comprehensive and efficient subway system than Charlotte's one line, newly constructed light rail? And before 2007, Charlotte does not have any form of rapid transit options? Technically light rail is not qualified as rapid transit either but is as close as it can be.

I don't think Charlotte is exactly copying Atlanta, but it is always amusing to me that cities like Charlotte who is having their first new light rail line in 2007 immediately think they are better than Atlanta in terms of rapid transit. It happens in Minneapolis as well. So funny.

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How can Charlotte copy Atlanta? Last time I checked, Charlotte was significantly larger than Atlanta in both land area and population. Charlotte also has a light-rail system that Atlanta doesn't have.

Charlotte was incorporated in 1768, Atlanta in 1847. How does on an older city copy a younger city?
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