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Any areas south of KC, STL and Cincy are certainly not solidly in the Midwest by any estimation- they are areas of transition with mixes of the South and Midwest, leaning more southern overall.
Might as well throw in Indianapolis and Columbus in there as well.
Southern Missouri is no more southern than southern Indiana and Ohio.
They're all part of that transition zone. Ohio may be slightly less so, but not significantly.
Might as well throw in Indianapolis and Columbus in there as well.
Southern Missouri is no more southern than southern Indiana and Ohio.
They're all part of that transition zone. Ohio may be slightly less so, but not significantly.
The area of the Midwest where the southern influences become much less noticeable is the I-80 corridor.
Might as well throw in Indianapolis and Columbus in there as well.
Southern Missouri is no more southern than southern Indiana and Ohio.
They're all part of that transition zone. Ohio may be slightly less so, but not significantly.
Southern MO is much more southern and over a much larger area than other Midwestern states. Southern MO IS the south.
Southern MO is much more southern and over a much larger area than other Midwestern states. Southern MO IS the south.
Somehow, I've managed to live in mid-Missouri, southern Missouri, middle Arkansas and northern Arkansas.
Southern Missouri can, in places, be as midwestern as anything. Even around hwy 60. It never feels 100% southern to me.
Northern Arkansas is absolutely the south, except for places overrun with transplants. Even then, it's still southern at it's core, and it's not midwestern at all, just generic Americana.
Oh yeah, St. Louis feels larger, but not in any meaningful way. In other words, it's nothing for KC to be envious of. Not a horrible town, it just doesn't have significantly more to offer.
St. Louis, historically. Even today you can feel the "big city" of St. Louis despite slower growth over the decades. I believe St. Louis shares some comparisons to Detroit, in that both were great cities and have certainly fallen off over the decades. While Detroit fell harder, there is no question St. Louis also presents its best days behind. Both cities are coming back to some extent.
That said, KC overall seems to be doing better than St. Louis. Both downtowns are somewhat stagnant, and perhaps the next building boom will be residential, but there needs to be an attraction to live downtown in both. I understand there are efforts in both in this regard, but until projects actually break ground, I wonder.
The airports are another issue. St. Louis was once a hub for TWA, and then American, but no longer. KC was to be a TWA hub, but that ended quickly as the airport was poorly designed for today's aviation. I understand there are plans for a complete rebuild of MCI, but I doubt it will become a hub anytime soon.
That said, KC overall seems to be doing better than St. Louis. Both downtowns are somewhat stagnant, and perhaps the next building boom will be residential, but there needs to be an attraction to live downtown in both. I understand there are efforts in both in this regard, but until projects actually break ground, I wonder.
I don't follow St. Louis as closely, but Kansas City's downtown has been attracting residential development for about 20 years now. Several old residential buildings were revitalised, others have been converted into residential, and new developments have also sprung up in and directly around downtown.
I am happy to stand corrected on KC downtown residential. I guess I tend to compare with some other hot markets, like Chicago and Seattle. I think old residential buildings being converted is a good sign, but my comparisons tend to be more to large, new highrise construction, at the general 400-500+ foot level. Something less is still compelling, but as in smaller density, is not competitive with what is happening in some markets. I like KC, and there is a future there, but the growth is moderate at best.
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