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You keep describing them as separate metros, while i describe them as one, because they are completely connected.
I think this is debatable. To say that they are completely connected implies that each has some sort of reliance on the other--the Twin Cities, for example. But, to me, DC and Baltimore are simply two large cities that happen to be in close proximity to each other. Their economies are driven by different things, their cultures are very different, and I don't see one functioning in any fundamentally different way if the other was not there.
The U.S. census bureau also maintains separate MSAs for DC and Baltimore, even though they are occasionally linked together. When I'm in Baltimore, I feel like I'm in a very different place than when I am in DC--in other words, I don't feel much of a connection between the two at all.
How is Baltimore in DC shadow, the two cities are nothing alike except for all those colored people in the ghetto. DC is the capitol of America and Baltimore is a gritty hard working blue collar town. DC is full of lawyers and lobbyists and Baltimore is full of the working man, the ones that work that is.
How is Baltimore in DC shadow, the two cities are nothing alike except for all those colored people in the ghetto. DC is the capitol of America and Baltimore is a gritty hard working blue collar town. DC is full of lawyers and lobbyists and Baltimore is full of the working man, the ones that work that is.
I agree, but don't like the racial tones in your post ("all those colored people in the ghetto") and although Baltimore is a blue-collar town, unlike DC it is rapidly moving away from that (even quicker than say Pittsburgh), but even still isn't comparable to DC.
Baltimore is its own complete entity. In no way could it be considered to be in D.C.'s "shadow".
D.C. is neither large enough nor important enough to have a shadow.
Baltimore also is not particularly well known. It's smallish and unremarkable.
"D.C. is neither large enough nor important enough to have a shadow. "
Are you kidding? This is a joke, right? DC is the capital of country and the 6th or 7th largest metro in the country. Are you a foreigner? If yes, I'll excuse your answer and rack it up to ignorance.
Baltimore does have its own identity, culture etc.
But the more I live in the area (and look for homes between the cities), the more I can tell that the Baltimore area tends to be more of a second city to DC than its own stand alone city.
That's not to say that Baltimore would not be just fine without DC. I'm saying that the way the area is growing and how people commute and how people identify themsleves within the area (DC or Baltimore), DC is by far THE city. Even in suburbs that are much closer to Baltimore, they seem to have more people commuting to the DC area and more people seem to indentify themselves with DC than Baltimore.
Now, I'm sure this is not the case for suburbs on the other side of Baltimore, but that's what I get from areas like Howard and AA Counties.
Baltimore seems like a larger version of St Paul, only much more crime and blight.
I think this is debatable. To say that they are completely connected implies that each has some sort of reliance on the other--the Twin Cities, for example. But, to me, DC and Baltimore are simply two large cities that happen to be in close proximity to each other. Their economies are driven by different things, their cultures are very different, and I don't see one functioning in any fundamentally different way if the other was not there.
The U.S. census bureau also maintains separate MSAs for DC and Baltimore, even though they are occasionally linked together. When I'm in Baltimore, I feel like I'm in a very different place than when I am in DC--in other words, I don't feel much of a connection between the two at all.
That is true, one has to use the CSA to include baltimore, it seems as if baltimore's connection with D.C. is more in line with government jobs and proximity as well as being in maryland and not extremely far away, however I wouldn't say they have much in common as major cities in proximity.
To give a very great example, think howard county, its close to both D.C. and baltimore , in a way part influence does end up in baltimore although its distant, when one starts talking govt jobs, john hopkins, health care, and howard county then one can see the D.C. connection. It seems to have things in common rather than direct influence, having things in common because it operates on the stretch or the way to D.C.
Exactly, those are the two closest cities to B'more, especially the former. DC and Balty are two very different cities and it's almost pointless to claim that one is "better" than the other. DC itself is a very unique city which doesn't really resemble any other city.
I agree that Newark, does have a lot of things in common with Baltimore, such as the history and attempts at revitalization, as well as being distinct aka with its own airport and universities.
Come to think of it , Newark does have its own port, and does have a geographic layout similar to Baltimore a port on the inner rivers and not directly on the ocean , yet its far from new york city enough so to be a bit distinct in influence as jersey city.
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