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View Poll Results: Based on the criteria below, which state best fills the criteria in your opinion?
Ohio 26 41.27%
Michigan 37 58.73%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-08-2009, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Chisago Lakes, Minnesota
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Yes, God forbid we have any Bible believers in these parts. Sorry to dissapoint the liberal contributors, but there's more than plenty God fearing, Bible believing folks in Michigan and Ohio. You haven't breeded us out just yet.

As for the comparison, Michigan by the widest of margins.
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Old 10-08-2009, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Rockville, MD
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But that is temporary. It certainly wasn't always that way and no reason to think it always will be. Ann Arbor and Grand Rapids are doing about as well (or better) as any Ohio city except maybe Columbus.
Those cities are small potatoes though--Detroit is Michigan's main economic driver, and nothing I've seen purports to place the crisis they're facing as "temporary". The very foundation of Detroit's economy is crumbling--what is going to magically bring it back? I'm not saying Detroit is a lost cause, but what we're witnessing there isn't just some usual cycle of up-and-down. The city has lost more than half of its population from its peak 50 years ago, and continues to lose residents at an alarming rate. This isn't some temporary blip, this is a substantial crisis.

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Regardless my point was that metropolitan Detroit is a larger (population) metro than any metro in Ohio and that it has more to offer than any one metro in Ohio.
And I would disagree with that assessment. A city is only as good as the life it affords its citizens, and right now Detroit is not particularly succeeding with that. What opportunities are offered in Detroit that are unavailable in, say, Columbus or Cleveland? Or, put another way, what would a resident of one of those cities *gain* by moving to Detroit? After all, if the argument is that Detroit being bigger = better opportunity, then certainly something must exist that would cause people to leave their current home and migrate there.
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Old 10-08-2009, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Rockville, MD
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Yes, God forbid we have any Bible believers in these parts.
It's not the Bible-believing part that is the problem--I'm a church goer myself. It's the associated intolerance, bigotry and hate that so often accompanies it.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan
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Those cities are small potatoes though--Detroit is Michigan's main economic driver, and nothing I've seen purports to place the crisis they're facing as "temporary". The very foundation of Detroit's economy is crumbling--what is going to magically bring it back? I'm not saying Detroit is a lost cause, but what we're witnessing there isn't just some usual cycle of up-and-down. The city has lost more than half of its population from its peak 50 years ago, and continues to lose residents at an alarming rate. This isn't some temporary blip, this is a substantial crisis.



And I would disagree with that assessment. A city is only as good as the life it affords its citizens, and right now Detroit is not particularly succeeding with that. What opportunities are offered in Detroit that are unavailable in, say, Columbus or Cleveland? Or, put another way, what would a resident of one of those cities *gain* by moving to Detroit? After all, if the argument is that Detroit being bigger = better opportunity, then certainly something must exist that would cause people to leave their current home and migrate there.
It's not the city losing people causing alarm, its the state! In 2008 it was one of two states to lose population and in the local Detroit newspaper, they pointed out a family leaves Michigan every 12 minutes.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:23 PM
 
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It's not the Bible-believing part that is the problem--I'm a church goer myself. It's the associated intolerance, bigotry and hate that so often accompanies it.
That faction is a very loud and visible minority of Christians...most are decent, tolerant people.
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:38 PM
 
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It's not the Bible-believing part that is the problem--I'm a church goer myself. It's the associated intolerance, bigotry and hate that so often accompanies it.
Thank you. My thoughts exactly. It has always amazed me how many churchgoers are the most racist, hateful, and ignorant, and the most willing to resort to war as a way to settle disputes. Maybe it's just me, but this seems like exactly the OPPOSITE of what the bible said.

Rep points to you, 14thandyou.
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:39 PM
 
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That faction is a very loud and visible minority of Christians...most are decent, tolerant people.
So are most muslims.
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:43 PM
 
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So are most muslims.
Most Muslims are decent, tolerant people...and are not violent. I guess some people judge the entire faith by the actions a very small number.

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Old 10-08-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Still, I would argue that Northwestern Ohioans, from Toledo and the nothing-land surrounding it, seen to have more of the Michigan persona.
You know, those are fighting words in those parts!
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Regardless my point was that metropolitan Detroit is a larger (population) metro than any metro in Ohio and that it has more to offer than any one metro in Ohio.
Aside from Detroit having access to Canada, please name one thing Detroit has you can't find in the three Cs.
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