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Old 11-08-2017, 03:00 AM
 
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In regards to features pertinent to the people and culture of the South, Atlanta is much more like the rest of the South than New Orleans, which has been traditionally home to the South's only predominantly Ethnic/Catholic white population. Although not traditionally, a case be made that Miami is most unique today.
What does "ethnic white/catholic" even matter? The cultural differences among white populations in the US have way more to do with liberal/conservative.
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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My opinion is probably yes. Miami arguable is not really culturally southern. New Orleans isn't like the rest of the deep south for sure.
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Old 11-08-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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My opinion is probably yes. Miami arguable is not really culturally southern. New Orleans isn't like the rest of the deep south for sure.
So then, aren't the same arguments made by some of Richmond and Louisville, too--that they aren't culturally southern and aren't like the Deep South? And with even more clarity, too, because there are places in the Deep South (Gulf Coast)that are similar to New Orleans. There is nowhete in the Deep South that bears more than a superficial resemblance to Richmond or Louisville...

So then, what are the qualifiers?
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Old 11-08-2017, 09:54 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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New Orleans is unique -- not just for "the South" but for the entire country. It's history eclipses other places in the south beyond the obvious cultural aspects. We are fortunate to have several stand-alone unique cities in the US. The problem is that we are trying hard to make them all the same.
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Old 11-08-2017, 05:24 PM
 
Location: DMV Area
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So then, aren't the same arguments made by some of Richmond and Louisville, too--that they aren't culturally southern and aren't like the Deep South? And with even more clarity, too, because there are places in the Deep South (Gulf Coast)that are similar to New Orleans. There is nowhete in the Deep South that bears more than a superficial resemblance to Richmond or Louisville...

So then, what are the qualifiers?
Moot point because Louisville and Richmond are considered the Upper South, not the Deep South.
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Old 11-08-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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So then, aren't the same arguments made by some of Richmond and Louisville, too--that they aren't culturally southern and aren't like the Deep South? And with even more clarity, too, because there are places in the Deep South (Gulf Coast)that are similar to New Orleans. There is nowhete in the Deep South that bears more than a superficial resemblance to Richmond or Louisville...

So then, what are the qualifiers?
What makes Miami unique in this discussion is that her culture has been completely transformed in the last 50-60 years unlike any other city in the South that I can think of. And yes, I'm also thinking about Washington DC.

So the culture you see presently in Miami is completely disconnected from Miami in the 1940s, and unrecognizable if we go back before the 1920s. Miami was such a tiny, undeveloped place that received such a huge influx of immigrants and transplants (from the EC and midwest) that now Miami reflects her late arrivals.

New Orleans is unique for historical reasons (i.e French history) not because of massive amounts of immigration and transplantation like Miami (and DC to a much lesser extent). I don't know much about Richmond or Louisville, but I would bet the story is similar. That the culture you see today is a natural progression of the culture you saw 100 years ago and if they're so different from other Southern cities it's mostly due to the fact they're geographically straddling a contact zone between the South and Midwest/EC.
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Old 11-09-2017, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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What makes Miami unique in this discussion is that her culture has been completely transformed in the last 50-60 years unlike any other city in the South that I can think of. And yes, I'm also thinking about Washington DC.

So the culture you see presently in Miami is completely disconnected from Miami in the 1940s, and unrecognizable if we go back before the 1920s. Miami was such a tiny, undeveloped place that received such a huge influx of immigrants and transplants (from the EC and midwest) that now Miami reflects her late arrivals.

New Orleans is unique for historical reasons (i.e French history) not because of massive amounts of immigration and transplantation like Miami (and DC to a much lesser extent). I don't know much about Richmond or Louisville, but I would bet the story is similar. That the culture you see today is a natural progression of the culture you saw 100 years ago and if they're so different from other Southern cities it's mostly due to the fact they're geographically straddling a contact zone between the South and Midwest/EC.
Actually immigration is one of the reasons if not the main reasons for our culture. There would be none if it weren't for the Sicilians, Germans, Haitians, West African slaves, Jamaicans, etc. Miami just has a more recent history regarding immigration.
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Old 11-09-2017, 01:45 PM
 
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Moot point because Louisville and Richmond are considered the Upper South, not the Deep South.
Lousiville is basically half-Midwest. It's as "South" as Cincy. Very Catholic, German, accents are different, homes look Midwest in style.

Richmond has a little more southern feel, but is basically at one end of the Northeast Corridor. It, too, feels like a border city, on the cusp of the Northeast Corridor.
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:10 PM
 
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Lousiville is basically half-Midwest. It's as "South" as Cincy. Very Catholic, German, accents are different, homes look Midwest in style.

Richmond has a little more southern feel, but is basically at one end of the Northeast Corridor. It, too, feels like a border city, on the cusp of the Northeast Corridor.
I agree with both of these to a degree. Louisville feels more southern to me than Cincy does though, and the eastern suburbs of Louisville look more traditionally southern than Cincy's.
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Old 11-10-2017, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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I agree with both of these to a degree. Louisville feels more southern to me than Cincy does though, and the eastern suburbs of Louisville look more traditionally southern than Cincy's.
Cincy and Louisville feel more Midwestern than southern, especially Cincy. Some of the suburbs of both look southern, but it makes sense when you consider some of the developers are from Tennessee and Georgia (Nashville and Atlanta). New Orleans is a different animal altogether.
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