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Time for a quick smackdown of a couple SF stereotypes i've seen in this thread:
no middle class in SF: wrong
no ghettos in SF: wrong
I could post info that proves both of these, but i'm tired of having to correct people all the time in regards to SF. Maybe you guys can actually look stuff up yourselves before making false claims? Here are a few websites you may have heard of before: GOOGLE. WIKIPEDIA. YAHOO. Census Bureau Home Page.
Very good point. However I think the Bay Area is a better balanced metro. You take away San Franicsco and the Bay Area still has so much going on, you take away Chicago and Chicagoland has nothing going for it.
That's not true,how could Chicagoland be so prominent with just Chicago?
And saying "if you take blank away, blank doesn't have anything." is a ridiculous argument.
That's not true,how could Chicagoland be so prominent with just Chicago?
And saying "if you take blank away, blank doesn't have anything." is a ridiculous argument.
Ok what other major cities does Chicagoland have other then Chicago? The Bay Area has Berkeley which is home to the best public university in the country if not the world, Oakland a city of over 400000 with one of the largest ports in the country, palo alto has stanford university and the department of veterans affairs hospital which has one of only five poly trauma units in the entire country and let's not forget silicon valley.
Ok what other major cities does Chicagoland have other then Chicago? The Bay Area has Berkeley which is home to the best public university in the country if not the world, Oakland a city of over 400000 with one of the largest ports in the country, palo alto has stanford university and the department of veterans affairs hospital which has one of only five poly trauma units in the entire country and let's not forget silicon valley.
Since this is not what the OP was asking for I will only respond to this with one post.
We Have Naperville, Gary, Joliet, Elgin, and Kenosha
Northwestern and Chicago if you're going to name universities. Chicagoland is the railroad hub of America and a big port in the country.
It has one of the largest and busiest airports in the world.
But again, this thread is about quality of living, not quantity.
Since this is not what the OP was asking for I will only respond to this with one post.
We Have Naperville, Gary, Joliet, Elgin, and Kenosha
Northwestern and Chicago if you're going to name universities. Chicagoland is the railroad hub of America and a big port in the country.
It has one of the largest and busiest airports in the world.
But again, this thread is about quality of living, not quantity.
wtf naperville??? sanitized toliet? what a lousy burb GARY??? horrible place elgin??? huh kenosha?? yes they have the cheese castle... those aren't quality places...
UChicago is IN Chicago...
You are just proving his point that it is pretty much Chicago there, then not much else. Chicago does have a lot of clout though, but Bay Area developed differently and there are several more interesting places outside of SF, much more so than Chicagoland imo... But Chicago walks on SF for all things city as well.
I love and lived in Chicago but the burbs there were rather bland to me and sanitized, not much going on. Big contrast with Bay Area. But, Chicago can provide in itself and hoods lots of different stuff, more so than SF. But, you still know you are in Chicago. When you are in napa or berkeley or sf or san jose or marin, or oakland you know you are somewhere different and it is a different vibe going on.
wtf naperville??? toliet? GARY??? elgin??? kenosha?? those aren't quality places...
Chicago is IN Chicago...
You are just proving his point that it is pretty much Chicago there, then not much else.
Its a silly point he is making. The city of Chicago is bigger than pretty much the entire bay area. Of course taking out chicago leaves a huge hole. Lets take SF, Oakland, Berkely, and San Jose out of the discussion if you want to make a valid comparison.
Its a silly point he is making. The city of Chicago is bigger than pretty much the entire bay area. Of course taking out chicago leaves a huge hole. Lets take SF, Oakland, Berkely, and San Jose out of the discussion if you want to make a valid comparison.
You could actually do that and the rest of the bay area would still have a lot of variety and interesting things going on than suburban Chicago... The two metros are set up very differently. Everything is very centralized towards Chicago, here it is a big spiderweb of different places. you still have napa, sonoma, pt reyes,, petaluma, all the different quirky towns in wine country, all the coastal towns, half moon bay, mount tamalpias, bolinas, sausalito, san rafael, other mountains, redwood forests, pacific coast highway, canyons... lots of stuff and variety. I don't think there are a lot of international tourists going to chicago burbs, it is a reverse situation out here b/c they are going to all different places in the bay area in big amounts in rent a cars and stretch limousines.
You could actually do that and the rest of the bay area would still have a lot of variety and interesting things going on than suburban Chicago... The two metros are set up very differently. Everything is very centralized towards Chicago, here it is a big spiderweb of different places. you still have napa, sonoma, pt reyes,, petaluma, all the different quirky towns in wine country, all the coastal towns, half moon bay, mount tamalpias, bolinas, sausalito, san rafael, other mountains, redwood forests, pacific coast highway, canyons... lots of stuff and variety. I don't think there are a lot of international tourists going to chicago burbs, it is a reverse situation out here b/c they are going to all different places in the bay area in big amounts in rent a cars and stretch limousines.
Yup.
The Wine Country(Napa/Sonoma Valleys) pound per pound probably has better restaurants than anywhere in the world. The French Laundry has been named the best restaurant in the nation several times. There are Michelin star-rated restaurants throughout the wine country-that's incredible for a region with less than 100,000 people collectively.
Palo Alto is an Intellectual hotbed with Stanford and the influence of that school's faculty and alumni and former students is felt worldwide.
The coastal highways from Sonoma to Santa Cruz is amazing. Reminiscient of the mediterrenean, yet so distinctly NorCal.
Marin County is a suburb that almost seems like a resort. Think South of France meets hippiedom.
The East Bay is a vast, sprawled out melting pot that by itself rivals NY and LA in diversity. Amazing. Amazing because the East Bay, despite having no racial or ethnic majority, despite being miles and miles and miles of diversity-is actually wealthy. With a Median Family Income that tops $90,000.
Across the Bay, The Peninsula is 70% Immigrant Stock. Meaning 70% of the SF Peninsula is either Foreign Born or the US born child of someone who is foreign born. And that region has a Median Family Income over $100,000.
Our diversity is beyond question. The fact that our diversity equates to affluence is very rare among similarly diverse metropolitan areas.
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