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Phoenix hands down for our largest MSA's the least vibrant by a mile from my experiences. If Raleigh qualified as being a big city in the heart of the Research Triangle MSA that would also be near the top..
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Originally Posted by kidphilly
Dead is probably inaccurate though for a city of its size it can be a little underwhelming honestly
Yes.
But the OP also asked:
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Originally Posted by Trimac20
I'm thinking lack of resident inner city population, nightlife, shuts down at 5pm.
This does not exactly define central Houston. What's technically considered downtown could stand to be more vibrant (though is still attracting new businesses), but as I mentioned, it has to compete for nightlife and culture with areas/neighborhoods that are almost right next to it and doing quite well.
Well I personally prefer Midtown but they connect far better than say Houston's DT and say Midtown Houston as an example making it feel larger, more vibrant and cohesive. The void in between in the latter decreases the vibrancy in the borader DT for me personally. Though I would also to me personally Houston has more areas of interest overall when compared to Atlanta. Atlanta is just more vibrant and cohesive in its DT. Guess there are pros and cons to both as neither offer the urban environment I prefer but Midtown and the connected DT in Atlanta come pretty close IMHO.
For the record, I agree about Atlanta's immediate core being more vibrant; however, Midtown Houston does run into downtown. Also, Midtown Atlanta is more built up, but it is distinct from downtown, so it isn't fair to include it in this particular discussion.
For the record, I agree about Atlanta's immediate core being more vibrant; however, Midtown Houston does run into downtown. Also, Midtown Atlanta is more built up, but it is distinct from downtown, so it isn't fair to include it in this particular discussion.
Fair enough but still Midtown Atlanta is far closer and far more cohesive with the DT when compared to Houston. Unless the neighborhood has DRAMATICALLY changed in the last 12 months it never felt as connected to me. For the record i actually prefer the areas in Houston outside of the DT better but probably like Midtown Atlanta the best of all, to me it feels more like an extension of the DT. Regardless i would still say that DT Atlanta even without MT is a little more vibrant than either DT Houston or DFW. Actually I have always liked DT Ft Worth as well, even though small it has a pretty cool vibe, always screamed TX to me, kind of cool in that way.
Fair enough but still Midtown Atlanta is far closer and far more cohesive with the DT when compared to Houston. Unless the neighborhood has DRAMATICALLY changed in the last 12 months it never felt as connected to me. For the record i actually prefer the areas in Houston outside of the DT better but probably like Midtown Atlanta the best of all, to me it feels more like an extension of the DT. Regardless i would still say that DT Atlanta even without MT is a little more vibrant than either DT Houston or DFW. Actually I have always liked DT Ft Worth as well, even though small it has a pretty cool vibe, always screamed TX to me, kind of cool in that way.
But that's my point. Midtown Houston directly borders downtown. How do you get any closer than that? The general area might have been more built up if it were concentrated along one or two major roads.
Again, I agree with DT Atlanta being better, but only because of dt, and not Midtown.
Proof?
You and other bashers can keep saying otherwise until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't make it true. Unless of course you think anything is "dead" unless it's the Vegas Strip or Bourbon St.
New places like I've mentioned don't open in areas that are "dead." They do something called market research prior... why would they willingly want to lose money or operate business at a loss?
Basher? Look don't get so offended about my opinion. Houston is a huge city but it's downtown doesn't represent that at all. The adjacent neighborhoods are livelier, like Washington Ave and Neartown. Bourbon St isn't all of downtown New Orleans. I was just there last night and it simply is a better downtown as far as activity. As well as others.
How would anyone prove this? By going and making a video of how dead it is?
But that's my point. Midtown Houston directly borders downtown. How do you get any closer than that? The general area might have been more built up if it were concentrated along one or two major roads.
Again, I agree with DT Atlanta being better, but only because of dt, and not Midtown.
he is obviously confusing Midtown Houston with the galleria area.
midtown and downtown are joined at the hip while Mid town ATL is some distance away from downtown atl and yet he says it is closer.
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