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Old 11-27-2011, 12:45 PM
 
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Phoenix hands down for our largest MSA's the least vibrant by a mile from my experiences. If Raleigh qualified as being a big city in the heart of the Research Triangle MSA that would also be near the top..
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
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Dead is probably inaccurate though for a city of its size it can be a little underwhelming honestly
Yes.
But the OP also asked:
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I'm thinking lack of resident inner city population, nightlife, shuts down at 5pm.
This does not exactly define central Houston. What's technically considered downtown could stand to be more vibrant (though is still attracting new businesses), but as I mentioned, it has to compete for nightlife and culture with areas/neighborhoods that are almost right next to it and doing quite well.
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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AK123 has atleast made some points. Since you seem to feel so strongly, why not counter what he/she is saying, with some equally worthwile points?
I have offered the 6pm closing of the only department store. Those two factors shout dead.

No rational counter offered.
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Well I personally prefer Midtown but they connect far better than say Houston's DT and say Midtown Houston as an example making it feel larger, more vibrant and cohesive. The void in between in the latter decreases the vibrancy in the borader DT for me personally. Though I would also to me personally Houston has more areas of interest overall when compared to Atlanta. Atlanta is just more vibrant and cohesive in its DT. Guess there are pros and cons to both as neither offer the urban environment I prefer but Midtown and the connected DT in Atlanta come pretty close IMHO.
For the record, I agree about Atlanta's immediate core being more vibrant; however, Midtown Houston does run into downtown. Also, Midtown Atlanta is more built up, but it is distinct from downtown, so it isn't fair to include it in this particular discussion.
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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San Jose has the deadest downtown in the US, not Houston and Dallas or LA. Downtown SJ is a ghost town!
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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No, it's not dead, it's just not the heart of the urban nightlife right now..
LOL thanks for proving my point.
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: The City
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For the record, I agree about Atlanta's immediate core being more vibrant; however, Midtown Houston does run into downtown. Also, Midtown Atlanta is more built up, but it is distinct from downtown, so it isn't fair to include it in this particular discussion.

Fair enough but still Midtown Atlanta is far closer and far more cohesive with the DT when compared to Houston. Unless the neighborhood has DRAMATICALLY changed in the last 12 months it never felt as connected to me. For the record i actually prefer the areas in Houston outside of the DT better but probably like Midtown Atlanta the best of all, to me it feels more like an extension of the DT. Regardless i would still say that DT Atlanta even without MT is a little more vibrant than either DT Houston or DFW. Actually I have always liked DT Ft Worth as well, even though small it has a pretty cool vibe, always screamed TX to me, kind of cool in that way.
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:47 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Fair enough but still Midtown Atlanta is far closer and far more cohesive with the DT when compared to Houston. Unless the neighborhood has DRAMATICALLY changed in the last 12 months it never felt as connected to me. For the record i actually prefer the areas in Houston outside of the DT better but probably like Midtown Atlanta the best of all, to me it feels more like an extension of the DT. Regardless i would still say that DT Atlanta even without MT is a little more vibrant than either DT Houston or DFW. Actually I have always liked DT Ft Worth as well, even though small it has a pretty cool vibe, always screamed TX to me, kind of cool in that way.
But that's my point. Midtown Houston directly borders downtown. How do you get any closer than that? The general area might have been more built up if it were concentrated along one or two major roads.

Again, I agree with DT Atlanta being better, but only because of dt, and not Midtown.
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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Proof?
You and other bashers can keep saying otherwise until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't make it true. Unless of course you think anything is "dead" unless it's the Vegas Strip or Bourbon St.

New places like I've mentioned don't open in areas that are "dead." They do something called market research prior... why would they willingly want to lose money or operate business at a loss?
Basher? Look don't get so offended about my opinion. Houston is a huge city but it's downtown doesn't represent that at all. The adjacent neighborhoods are livelier, like Washington Ave and Neartown. Bourbon St isn't all of downtown New Orleans. I was just there last night and it simply is a better downtown as far as activity. As well as others.
How would anyone prove this? By going and making a video of how dead it is?
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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But that's my point. Midtown Houston directly borders downtown. How do you get any closer than that? The general area might have been more built up if it were concentrated along one or two major roads.

Again, I agree with DT Atlanta being better, but only because of dt, and not Midtown.
he is obviously confusing Midtown Houston with the galleria area.

midtown and downtown are joined at the hip while Mid town ATL is some distance away from downtown atl and yet he says it is closer.
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