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Old 04-18-2011, 04:57 PM
 
Location: NYC, VA, JP
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I would like to add something to the hip hop discussion:

You can normally tell which region is on top or most dominant at the time by who has the largest influence on the culture at that time (music, clubs, fashion, cities) and not necessarily by album sales. When NY was on top, everyone dressed, talked, and rapped like they were from NY. NYC was the city to visit at the time. Same with the West, and as of recent with the south. Most songs you hear now will more than likely have a southern/club vibe and sound to it. Most rappers have slowed down their rap and sometimes its even southern sounding (more of a drawal) or has southern lingo involved (using the word trap or chopper). Most popular songs/music/dances get hot in the south first and then makes its way to other areas. Southern music has the clubs in a choke hold. And whether you agree or not, the club scene is a large part of the hip hop community. Moving south (ATL) has been the new craze over the years in the hip hop/black community whereas everyone wanted to move to NYC back in the day. And Im just using NYC and the south as an example. Nothing against or trying to downplay NY.

I feel that every region in the hip hop community is pretty much on an even playing ground coming into this new year, but with a slight edge still going to the South. If you really look at it, region doesnt really matter as much anymore. The regional thing is played out. You have rap crews out now with members from several regions (Maybach Music, Brick Squad, Young Money, GOOD Music). The top artists in the game now are Nicki (Queens), Wiz (Pittsburgh), Wayne (NO), Drake (Canada), Kanye (Chicago), Ross (Miami), and of course Jay Z (Brooklyn) and Eminem (Detroit). Moving forward in hip hop will be all about your connections moreso than region. Most of the new artists coming out have a universal style that most regions can relate to. (See Wiz, Nicki, and Drake for instance). Being extra NY or extra southern or extra West Coast isnt going to cut it moving forward if an artist wants to be more than just a regional star.
Period. We have all kinds of artists from different regions intertwining in songs with different sounds nowadays you can't even call whether the song is "northern" or "southern" anymore. No such thing, at all. Back in the days (talking 1999-2003 here lol) you had Southern rappers doing their thing, then east coast rappers doing their thing. It wasn't NEARLY as much features with artists of different corners of the country as today, not even close. I don't even remember any to be honest, but nowadays all I see is features. Just how it is now.

Back then, you wouldn't have seen Lil Wayne on a track with Eminem. People would've laughed till their hearts stopped.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:03 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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you started rocking wallet chains, true religion jeans, ed hardy tees, red bandanas, throwing sets up, saying "no homo" and shouting out dipset too? oh ok.

record sales mean everything to an artist. that and buzz. its a business. how you gonna pay your label back if you don't sell. the only other option is to tour. a lot of southern artists tour and are relatively successful from tour money alone (because they aren't selling records at all) but again, ny artists aren't?

You think New York started throwing sets up and red bandanas?


And record sales mean everything to east coast and LA artists... Southern and Bay Area artists have BEEN making money independently, and lots of it. When you're independent and own your own label, you pocket about the same amount of money - if not more - from 10,000 sales that a major label rapper pockets from 100,000. And if you release a lot of street albums, mixtapes, compilations, collaboration albums, etc. then it adds up really quickly. See C-Bo... he's never been on a major label but has sold more than 3.5 million records independently. He probably pocketed upwards of 50% of each album sale... he's set for life. He's not the exception either... a ton of bay area rappers have sold upwards of a million records total JUST in California.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: NYC, VA, JP
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You think New York started throwing sets up and red bandanas?
In the mainstream hip hop community, I would have to say yes.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:13 PM
eek
 
Location: Queens, NY
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You think New York started throwing sets up and red bandanas?


And record sales mean everything to east coast and LA artists... Southern and Bay Area artists have BEEN making money independently, and lots of it. When you're independent and own your own label, you pocket about the same amount of money - if not more - from 10,000 sales that a major label rapper pockets from 100,000. And if you release a lot of street albums, mixtapes, compilations, collaboration albums, etc. then it adds up really quickly. See C-Bo... he's never been on a major label but has sold more than 3.5 million records independently. He probably pocketed upwards of 50% of each album sale... he's set for life. He's not the exception either... a ton of bay area rappers have sold upwards of a million records total JUST in California.
is that what i said? reread what i said in its entirety.

and as far as southern artists and independent labels, take what i said into context.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:16 PM
eek
 
Location: Queens, NY
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this is what started everything IMO:


YouTube - The Diplomats - Dipset Anthem ft. Cam'Ron, Juelz Santana

after that MAAAAD ppl emulated the diplomats whole structure. the tapes, the chains, the blood affiliation, rapping over sped up soul samples, etc.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:27 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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this is what started everything IMO:


YouTube - The Diplomats - Dipset Anthem ft. Cam'Ron, Juelz Santana

after that MAAAAD ppl emulated the diplomats whole structure. the tapes, the chains, the blood affiliation, rapping over sped up soul samples, etc.

As far as mainstream rap goes, maybe. The Bay Area's been doing most of that stuff at least since 2000/2001.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:33 PM
eek
 
Location: Queens, NY
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the thing is that the bay area stuff never gets airplay outside of the bay area, tho...

in the NE and SE you don't hear anything from there unless its 90's stuff. its pretty unfortunate IMO. we need more of a variety on the radio.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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the thing is that the bay area stuff never gets airplay outside of the bay area, tho...

in the NE and SE you don't hear anything from there unless its 90's stuff. its pretty unfortunate IMO. we need more of a variety on the radio.

We don't even get airplay IN the Bay area. Our radio stations - KMEL & Wild 94.9 - bow to the same corporate j******* that everybody else does.

The Jacka's "Glamorous Lifestyle" was the last Bay Area song that was on our radio, and even that was only barely. With a real push from the local radio, that could have EASILY been a nation-wide hit. If you haven't heard it, google it... that whole album (Tear Gas) could have easily done big numbers.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:50 PM
 
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beyonce aint putting up numbers like alicia or gaga. Alicia first album went diamond(10 million) beyonce aint doing all that

You could at least try and post real numbers instead of pulling them out of nowhere.

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Old 04-18-2011, 08:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Nineties Flava View Post
See C-Bo... he's never been on a major label but has sold more than 3.5 million records independently. He probably pocketed upwards of 50% of each album sale... he's set for life. He's not the exception either... a ton of bay area rappers have sold upwards of a million records total JUST in California.

Most of his sales where when he was signed to A.W.O.L. which is/was a independent label, but he was just an artist signed to the label, When he did go independent he re-released his entire back catalog and dropped six independent albums, two albums under Warlock & One album under Rap-A-Lot. Those might have moved units but it's probably no where near the number that were moved on A.W.O.L records.
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