California vs. Mid-Atlantic (New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and Washington DC) (life, people)

[BigCityDreamer]

Originally Posted by grapico

I'm an urban lover so... east coast for me. don't get me wrong california is cool, i just like east coast and even chicago and toronto area better as well as of course pretty much all of western europe.

I'm also inclined to think that if someone enjoys western European cities, especially London and Paris, then they will probably prefer the mid-Atlantic in the U.S. It tends to have more western European influence, especially in terms of architecture, art, culture and overall urbanity.

[Lifeshadower]

Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer

I'm also inclined to think that if someone enjoys western European cities, especially London and Paris, then they will probably prefer the mid-Atlantic in the U.S. It tends to have more western European influence, especially in terms of architecture, art, culture and overall urbanity.

Wouldn't it be weird if all cities were like European cities? I mean, after traveling overseas (not to Europe at this time, unfortunately) there is a certain character that most American cities have that reflect abundance. Big lots, big roads, big cars, big houses, etc. that most people in the world (that is, everyone outside of Europe) would clamor to have. Even though I greatly disagree with the way urban planners conceptualized cities in the past 2 decades, I believe that things could always get better.

I don't understand the European fascination on this site, or out in the general American public. We should be proud of what we have, but always strive to improve it instead of needlessly imitating someone else. After all, if we were a carbon copy of the UK, our food would suck! (No offense, Brits )

Anyways, back on topic. California is still relatively 'new' in American history (the California has only been US territory since 1848, while the East Coast has been 'part' of American culture since colonial times), but it doesn't mean it lacks history. Hell, so many people wanted to take over California that the colonial history here is exciting enough.

Te Russians were in Northern California before 1810 (Fort Ross is a testament to that), Spain only really established control in 1769 but only had a really weak hold on the region since it was far from their population centers, the British were interested but lacked the means to take over the region, the French were interested but were too busy engaging the English in the East to care, and even the Chinese landed in California in 1421 but the Ming Dynasty shamelessly destroyed the Chinese fleet (source:Evidence of Chinese oceanic voyages in 1421).

Funny though how they all thought that California was uninhabitable. Sure showed them

[jman650]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

I have a good friend who lives in Portland and travels regularly to Seattle. She tells me that both of those cities are being overrun with Californians. This prompts me to wonder...if California is such a paradise, why do people leave? Could it possibly be a case of hype?

If NYC is supposed to be the ultimate US city, echelons above any of the rest of the cities in the country or world according to some, then why do so many people leave it? Could it too possibly be a case of hype??

Originally Posted by CL63

They may have been priced out of NYC and forced into NC, most of them are still aware that New York City is the best city in the US. They just can't afford to live there anymore.

And the exact same thing goes for California. Most people who leave CA are still aware that CA is the best state in the US. They just can't afford to live here anymore either. Why is it so difficult for so many of you to see that the same standards apply often times?

[jman650]

Originally Posted by CL63

Too broad of a brush to paint. California isn't a city.

The people moving from smoggy dumps like the valley or Fresno to Dallas are upgrading, IMO.

You're painting with quite a broad brush yourself, and being pretty one-sided about it in the process. People moving from the stresses and low QOL of urban living in NYC are upgrading when they move out to peaceful, idyllic, sparsely-populated communities where they can afford a much larger living space in a safer area IMO and in the opinions of those who make that move. The natural beauty of coastal CA is a huge upgrade from the depressing, rusted, crime-filled dumps that are East NY and the South Bronx. It works both ways.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by Llewelyn

You're right, internet threats are retarded, I'm just letting the guy know that the way he talks to others is grounds for getting his butt kicked, though he probably has already.

I also agree that NYC people aren't all dirty. I was more referring to the crowd that he hangs out with. It's easy to tell from his attitude that he's part of the clique I described, so I only focused on that part which is, unfortunately, a large presence in New York. For another reference point on this forum, gulfstreamliberal seems to have a similar snide attitude.

I didn't think what you'd said was so much a threat as it was a truthful account of what would happen in that given situation. I know that's exactly the way it would go down if some yuppie pansy tried to run his yap like that to my face as well. Assuming the situation allowed me to have the freedom to simply enjoy myself after telling him exactly how I felt about the BS he had to say. Materialistic yuppie wannabe suckwads are the scum of the Earth in my eyes, as worthless as mosquitoes.

But don't mind that particular poster. Moderator cut: see comment b/c, you know, he lives in the greatest city on Earth and has such a blessed existence LMFAO! And yes, gulfstream does exhibit the same attitude, you are correct. The lame NY posters on here are in the minority, but it ends up seeming like there are more than there really are b/c the tards leave so many posts!

[jman650]

Originally Posted by CL63

Yes, but you cant live in the entire California at once so im not quite sure what relevance the home prices throughout the hotpots of state have to do with you living in Los Angeles.

Great point! Because you can totally live in the entire City of NYC at once, so advantage NYC. Not! I know of SOOOO many who live in Harlem, UWS, LES, Brooklyn, Staten Island and Queens ALL AT THE SAME TIME! Great argument.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by sav858

Try looking around then, or you could just be used to it by now. Some of the other New Yorkers on here usually brag about the grit of the city.

LOL I know right! Funny how selective NY's "grit" is, among many other aspect of NY/the NE, depending on who you're talking to and what the discussion is about. If its about which city is safer, someone's suddenly proud they have the safest city; if its about which is more ghetto, someone's bragging about how dangerous their hoods are. Lol.

Watch, if it suddenly comes down to which city is the smallest there'll probably be some NYer trying to claim that too. They're all comedy and they make it impossible to take anything they say seriously. The only thing that really annoys me about it is the cool ones who are completely rational end up getting lumped in with these when we generalize, and there are a bunch of NY/NE posters I think are cool as hell on here, so I always try and make sure to differentiate. I'm pretty sure they know who they are tho, regardless.

Originally Posted by sav858

Haha, it's so funny how much offense you took to my "grit" comment so you in turn throw some jabs out about SD as if that is suppose to make NYC any less gritty. And I hope you don't include yourself in the class, taste, and sophistication of NYC b/c if you possessed any of those qualities then you wouldn't be saying the BS that you are.

You have made many true statements here on C-D, but not too many that I find truer than this!

Originally Posted by sav858

Haha, again with the defensiveness. It's funny how this evolved from a conversation about the reasons people leave NYC and CA and somehow becomes some SD vs NYC debate. I never even said anything that negative or untrue about NYC so I don't understand why it bothers you so much that causes to you to lash out like that. Get a grip. Yeah NYC has a better economy and offers a lot more than SD, stating the obvious there and aren't really making NYC look better by doing so. Doesn't necessarily make it "better" to everyone though, different strokes for different folks.

Lol yeah I was also amused by how bent he got by your comment. Although I'm pretty sure that was just all part of his sick, annoying fascination with inciting arguments on here. He really makes NYC look fun and exciting by doing it so much lol.

I liked his comment about how, "SD is a tiny city," LOL. Yeah, the 9the largest city in the US that just happens to be 19.5 square miles LARGER THAN NYC is SOOOOO tiny LMFAO.

Originally Posted by sav858

cool, so what's the score now? NY 10 SD 3?

Lol.

Originally Posted by sav858

Whatever gets you through the day man......

If doing this is how he gets his kicks, I imagine his days are so dismal that he'll need a lot more help than just this to get through them.

[killakoolaide]

I gotta go with cali, the east coast is just too regular.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by polo89

And I find NYC to be a great city also. The problem is a good portion of people that I've met from there seem to have a superiority complex. NOT all of them, not all. Alot of New Yorkers I've met were rather cool.

Yeah, I fully agree. The ones that suck end up sucking intensely and in much the same way as the rest of their ilk. But the cool ones are great and I've found I like them a whole lot. They tend to run either really hot or really cold.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by TheCity

All of NYC metro is expensive and desirable too. Ever heard of Greenwich, Connecticut? Ever heard of The Hamptons? Ever heard of Alpine, New Jersey? Alpine is the most expensive zip code in the U.S. Yes, it even beat out California's precious "Beverly Hills".

So is all of the Bay Area. Ever heard of Marin County? Ever heard of Atherton? Ever heard of Hillsborough? Portola Valley, California? California has a lot more than just LA, and "precious" Beverly Hills is only one of many that LA has.

And Alpine doesn't even come close to a whole lot of CA cities according to this list:
Rank - Place - Per Capita Income - Population
1 Jericho, New York $113,595 2,215
2 Rancho Santa Fe, California $113,132 3,252
3 Atherton, California $112,408 7,194
4 Rolling Hills, California $111,031 1,871
5 Barton Creek, Texas $110,504 1,589
6 Palm Beach, Florida $109,219 10,468
7 Bloomfield Hills, Michigan $104,920 3,940
8 Belle Meade, Tennessee $104,908 2,943
9 Woodside, California $104,667 5,352
10 Oyster Bay Cove, New York $103,203 2,262
11 Indian River Shores, Florida $102,511 3,448
13 North Hills, New York $100,093 4,301
14 Cherry Hills Village, Colorado $99,996 5,958
15 Portola Valley, California $99,621 4,462
16 Newport Coast, California $98,770 2,671
17 Hillsborough, California $98,643 10,825
18 Piney Point Village, Texas $97,247 3,380
19 Highland Park, Texas $97,008 8,842
20 Indian Hill, Ohio $96,872 5,907
21 Sands Point, New York $95,647 2,786
22 Mission Hills, Kansas $95,405 3,593
23 Chevy Chase Village, Maryland $95,174 2,043
24 Plandome, New York $95,102 1,272
25 River Hills, Wisconsin $94,479 1,631
26 Fairbanks Ranch, California $94,150 2,244
27 Hidden Hills, California $94,096 1,875
28 Los Altos Hills, California $92,840 7,902
29 Gladwyne, Pennsylvania $90,940 4,050
30 South Beach, Florida $90,938 3,457
31 Scarsdale, New York $89,907 17,823
32 Ladue, Missouri $89,623 8,645
33 Bronxville, New York $89,483 6,543
34 Pelican Bay, Florida $89,063 5,686
35 Hunters Creek Village, Texas $88,821 4,374
36 Glencoe, Illinois $88,059 8,762
37 Muttontown, New York $88,020 3,412
38 Bunker Hill Village, Texas $86,434 3,654
39 Tiburon, California $85,966 8,666
40 Saddle River, New Jersey $85,934 3,201
41 Biltmore Forest, North Carolina $85,044 1,440
42 Brookville, New York $84,375 2,126
43 Winnetka, Illinois $84,134 12,419
44 Laurel Hollow, New York $83,366 1,930
45 Greenville, Delaware $83,223 2,332
46 North Key Largo, Florida $83,199 1,049
47 Hewlett Harbor, New York $82,069 1,271
48 New Canaan, Connecticut $82,049 19,395
49 Medina, Washington $81,742 3,011
50 Paradise Valley, Arizona $81,290 13,664
51 North Barrington, Illinois $81,243 2,918
52 Sausalito, California $81,040 7,330
53 Longboat Key, Florida $80,963 7,603
54 Fox Chapel, Pennsylvania $80,610 5,436
55 Weston, Massachusetts $79,640 11,469
56 Genesee, Colorado $79,180 3,699
57 Clyde Hill, Washington $78,252 2,890
58 Great Falls, Virginia $78,149 8,549
59 Old Brookville, New York $77,874 2,167
60 Chappaqua, New York $77,835 9,468
61 Darien, Connecticut $77,519 19,607
62 Essex Fells, New Jersey $77,434 2,162
63 Hill Country Village, Texas $77,374 1,028
64 Travilah, Maryland $77,129 7,442
65 Lake Forest, Illinois $77,092 20,059
66 Alpine, New Jersey $76,995 2,183
67 Millburn, New Jersey $76,796 19,795
68 Lloyd Harbor, New York $76,696 3,675
69 Oak Brook, Illinois $76,668 8,702
70 Monte Sereno, California $76,577 3,483

Highest-income places in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I count 12 CA cities that rank well above your PRECIOUS Alpine, NJ, unless I missed any in my haste lol. This shows how much credibility you have in your comments LOL.

America's Most Expensive ZIP Codes - Forbes.com

So as you can see, Alpine may contain a zip code that ranks at the top and just edges past Atherton, CA when it comes to asking price for new homes, but that doesn't really mean all that much IMO. Especially considering how both dropped by 23% last year. But you can go on and continue to believe whatever you want to believe if it will allow you to sleep at night. How's clown school working out for ya?

Originally Posted by TheCity

A couple of years ago, I moved to a big city in the south for a job from NYC. During my training, I got stuck with a guy from LA. He noticed my NYC accent and immediately started up a conversation along the lines of "LA is better than NYC. LA has _____ and ______, NY doesn't". I have seen quite the opposite.

LOL YEAH RIGHT!!! That one's not even close to believable unless the LA guy was a transplant from either the Northeast or the Midwest. People that are actually FROM LA don't start conversations like that. Nice try tho.