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LOL you know somewhere between 25-50% of those who will vote against CA will have never been to CA before. That's usually the way it plays out here on C-D anyway. Not that there aren't a ton of people who have that would vote for the Mid-Atlantic, but there's always a contingent of uber-homers who pick apart CA or say its inferior only to later show that they've never once set foot over here. So I'm prepared lol.
It can go the other way arount too. Do you know how many who have never been to California say they want to live there? Hollywood gives it a glamorous image.
California
Population: 36,961,664
Area: 163,696 square miles
Gross State Product: $1,846,747,000,000
Top 5 Largest Metropolitan Areas (by CSA): Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Sacramento, Fresno
Area Demographics: 42.6% White, 36.1% Hispanic, 12.1% Asian, 6.0% Black. 27.1% foreign born
Mid-Atlantic: Population: 48,038,216
Area: 124,296 square miles
Gross Regional Product: $2,595,340,000,000
Top 5 Largest Metropolitan Areas (by CSA): New York, Washington-Baltimore, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
Area Demographics: 64.9% White, 15.2% Black, 5.4% Asian, 11.7% Hispanic, 15.4% Foreign Born
Interesting, I would assume Blacks would always occupy the largest minority percentage in the U.S., no matter where they where.
In California, Hispanics/Latinos have been the largest racial minority since California became a state in 1850. Asian Americans eclipsed African Americans as the 2nd largest racial minority back in the mid-1980s. In fact, the only times when there were more Blacks than Asians in California was between 1940-1980, when hundreds of thousands of African Americans from the South came to work in wartime industries, and then stayed behind to have families.
California was always kind of the 'odd man out' demographically, with a huge number of people of Latin American and Asian origin. It's made this place that much more interesting, IMO
Interesting, I would assume Blacks would always occupy the largest minority percentage in the U.S., no matter where they where.
You highlighted the wrong % it actually says CA 36% hispanic and wow I can't believe you thought this. Though living in the midwest I can see why. Hispanics are soon supposed to be the majority of CA if it isn't already.
I have to give credit where credit is due, and the fact that it took all of us Mid-Atlantic states together to FINALLY beat California says something. That means either California is a diverse state with much to offer, or that people are delirious. I'm leaning towards the first one.
You make it sound like we're all a bunch of snobbish wasps who think that the east coast is the only place worth living. I don't mind it when people say WHY they don't like it here, but when they simply say things like "it sucks", or that we're in denial about the weather being good I get annoyed. I'm from Jersey, more often then not I have something negative to say about NYC (Mostly its people). Not that I'm bashing it, I'm just not a city person and find them to be rather uppity at times toward us "B&T people". I'm tired of hearing how nice LA is and then being told I live in a polluted area. I don't care THAT they chose CA or wherever, I care that they didn't chose the East Coast because of the shear fact that people like you are always accusing us of being arrogant/snobbish.
This is not MY logic that you are presenting. I love how people on the west coast say that I'm in denial of liking my weather, having clean air and beaches, and having fresh food because "everything comes from California". All people say is how great it is. Anytime someone says anything good about the East Coast you get these people accusing us all of being snobbish. I take a lot of offense to what you just said. It's not that I'm thinking everyone should like it, I'm just surprised at the dislike show towards it. I don't dislike California, I just don't want to live there. People will however more frequently say how they hate the East Coast.
I'll have to assume that you're talking to me here since you didn't actually quote me, but if you take offense to what I've said then GREAT! I take a lot of offense to what you have to say as well! Now we're even.
So you don't mind it when people say they don't like the East Coast? Sure about that?? B/c when you responded to comments like what I'd quoted earlier that had expressed nothing more than a preference for CA while still going on to praise the Mid-Atlantic you took that as "so much dislike for the East Coast." As though that wasn't completely off-base. And this is the attitude taken by many East Coast homers: if its anything less than ABSOLUTE praise for the "almighty" Easy Coast then its somehow an attack and you guys are the victims. This is how it always plays out, and your response is typical of the type I'm speaking on.
Its not I who is making you sound this way; its your reaction to what was posted before. They praised the East, but since they had a preference that reached beyond it you took that as "dislike" for the region. This is the way it often plays out when the East Coasters who we're dealing with aren't objective. Same thing when someone from TX or FL has something nice to say about their home, the insecure posters and the haters just bash them and take offense to their comments b/c "NYC is number one at everything" or whatever the case may be with that particular poster. So don't act like your back is against the wall here and you're just defending your area from attack, b/c that's complete BS!
Why do you care at all why ANYONE didn't choose the East? The place is over-populated as it is anyway. But MY words aren't deterring anyone from voting for it in a meaningless poll, what are you even talking about?? Do I really have that much persuasive power over people that my words threaten you in this way? LOL. People aren't voting for CA solely in response to accusations of arrogance in your region! That arrogance is there for all to see, and there are plenty of posters from your region who don't come off like that at all!
If it wasn't true that a lot of people from your region act arrogant/snobbish and posters like me were still making our "accusations," no one would listen to us in the first place, right? You bring this heat on yourselves by acting this way, and those from your region who don't end up not having to receive such accusations. The least you could do is own up to it. Or are you truly this oblivious to how you are coming across?
Look, we're in different ends of the same boat when it comes to not liking people crapping all over our home while overly praising the other side. I'm with you on that. The only thing is, that is not what has happened here up to the point you've commented in this thread. So if that's bothered you in other threads then I could understand that. But right here you were getting on people for choosing CA, EVEN THOUGH THEY STILL WENT ON TO PRAISE THE NE.
That's why I have a problem with what you are claiming here and making this out to be. No matter how much praise NYC and the NE gets its never enough. The superiority thing gets SOOOOO old, and the way some of you get so huffy about even being #2 in some peoples' opinions is both comical and predictable.
There are arrogant Californians too, and I don't care for them taking any kind of a superior attitude while talking down to people from elsewhere either. But they don't tend to get butthurt if CA is not number 1 in everything b/c we're used to the NE being America's darling and receiving praise for everything. I've been seeing this crap my entire life, long before C-D, and for some of you to be acting as though YOU'RE the underdogs is laughable.
Does CA receive a disproportionate amount of praise? Yeah, definitely. And for good reason, the same way that NYC does. IMO CA and NYC are the reigning champs of their respective categories: NYC is America's greatest city and excels in more categories than any other city, and CA is America's greatest state that offers more than any other state. But NYers and Californians both shouldn't be stressing if someone isn't praising either of them. They both get enough of that as is. The only reason either side should trip here is if either one is getting bashed, or if people are full of crap when they're speaking about either one of them.
And the same goes for the entire NE, or anywhere else for that matter. You're from NJ, and I empathize with your dilemma when it comes to getting any respect. NJ gets an unfair rap IMO. I'm aware that it offers a lot more than just Newark and the Sopranos. But please quote me or anyone else you've mentioned (eg: the first few posts) where we've expressed dislike for the East Coast. B/c the posts that I have quoted contained nothing I could identify as such.
And you're either full of crap or just plain in denial if you think that "all people say is how great" CA is. We get attacked left and right, and a ton of that negativity comes from your own backyard. So quit playing the victim here. I didn't see anyone say you're in denial b/c you like your weather and beaches or think your food is fresh. You're blowing things out of proportion here. Just b/c CA may have your area beat in certain respects doesn't mean what you have suddenly sucks. You're using the Ricky Bobby logic: "If you ain't first, you're last." Things don't usually work this way, and you're making a lot of this out to be more than it really is.
I could do the same thing you're doing here and ***** about how 4-season fans complain (wrongfully) of CA only having one boring season. Are you actually unaware of how many bogus reviews and claims East Coasters make of California?? We get denied everything from having decent food to having any kind of history. Did you even read the first page?? No one was bashing the East Coast, they were just simply stating their opinions as they were asked by the OP. Look at the top of the second page and see where the trash talking and hating began. Why don't you speak out against posts like these that just came out of left field:
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Originally Posted by Jesco White
Yes, Cali is so superior when it comes to culture. They have sleazy porn producers inflating their average wealth by building those ridiculously poorly built mcmansions from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s!
Their poor taste didn't come to the east coast until the late 90s. They are also trendsetters! Illegal aliens were there in the 80s, well before they ruined the east coast! Additionally, their real estate crashed and left them bankrupt almost a full year before it hit us!
Not to mention the never ending natural disasters and inflated sense of self importance that somehow is attributed to having a few movie stars living amongst their bankrupt asses (instead of CEOs, Politicians and diplomats which populate the economic centers of the WORLD on the east coast).
CA is also completely bankrupt, and they are the ones that started america on its downward trend by electing a freaking actor as their governor (not Ahhnold, but REAGAN!?!! Are you kidding me, this guy ruined your state and then the ENTIRE COUNTRY!!).
California is a model on what Not to do as a democracy. It's hilarious that the media paints them as liberal, because they're so full of stupid neocon's that they voted for no tax increases without an impossible majority in the 70s, and now they're so broke their quality of life is approaching Tijuana. Good job Cali!
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Originally Posted by K.O.N.Y
The combination of NY,DC and Philly is too overwhelming for any region in the world, let alone california. This should be a blowout anything else is ridiculous
You seriously don't see anything rude, hateful or arrogant about posts like these?? And you actually think the posters that had voted for CA before these were left were the ones hating?? Where do you get logic like that? Posters like BPerone201 and kidphilly are able to vote for the East and not be offensive about it, or get all uppity when someone disagrees with them. Try learning from them.
Maybe you should read a few more of these threads before you speak on it more, b/c you're clearly mislead here. You're obviously biased, but you seem unaware of how much mud gets flung at us from the NE. You should check it out sometime. Seriously.
In 4th grade, California school state standards have young students learn about the Spanish influence here in great detail(look at page 16). In fact, I built a model mission in 4th grade based on Mission San Fernando (which is still at my house). Nothing about the Northeast in depth until the 5th grade. I'm sure its the same in every other state learning about their own state before learning about the US as a whole.
Stop assuming that your conception of history is the same as everyone's in the United States.
This.
And yes, 4th grade for me was CA history too, and then 5th was US history.
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Originally Posted by Lifeshadower
Anyways, why do people on the East Coast assume that California is just a 10-15 mile strip of Coastal Southern California, between LA and San Diego? There are so many forests around the area I currently live in, its not even funny.
This is where I went to class, when I was still a student all those years ago at UC Berkeley
Walking the Line — Bay Nature Institute
http://baynature.org/articles/oct-dec-2008/walking-the-line/8_585-Karachewski-3051_%20Hayward%20fault%20UC%20Berkeley_edited-2.jpg (broken link)
There's plenty of foliage here.
I've wondered this for the longest time, and I think its immensely ignorant. Some people in that region take issue with us not being aware of how much NJ and upstate NY have to offer, but at the same time I read posts where people don't even realize Northern CA and the rest of the West Coast exist, let alone even all of LA. Its ridiculous.
It can go the other way arount too. Do you know how many who have never been to California say they want to live there? Hollywood gives it a glamorous image.
That's actually true. This is the first one of your posts that I've seen that is sensible. I actually find it annoying how many people think the most populous state in the US that contains 13% of the nation's population is confined to Hollywood and Venice Beach. It takes a very narrow view to think CA is either all good or all bad.
I have to give credit where credit is due, and the fact that it took all of us Mid-Atlantic states together to FINALLY beat California says something. That means either California is a diverse state with much to offer, or that people are delirious. I'm leaning towards the first one.
You know that's all most of us out here are really asking. I don't know why so often it has to turn into "oh if you like CA you have no pride and hate the East Coast!" That makes no sense. It shouldn't be so hard to give us our due, and when we give you yours but simply prefer what we have it shouldn't be seen as a diss.
LOL you know somewhere between 25-50% of those who will vote against CA will have never been to CA before. That's usually the way it plays out here on C-D anyway. Not that there aren't a ton of people who have that would vote for the Mid-Atlantic, but there's always a contingent of uber-homers who pick apart CA or say its inferior only to later show that they've never once set foot over here. So I'm prepared lol.
I've never been there so I didn't vote. But, I've known people who moved there and love it and would never return to the east coast, and I've known people who moved there and couldn't stand it and came back here as fast as they could. There's no one right answer. The only thing that seems to remain steady is that people who go there on vacation say they loved it except for the food.
I would like to visit California to view some of that magnificent scenery in person.
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That's usually the way it plays out here on C-D anyway. Not that there aren't a ton of people who have that would vote for the Mid-Atlantic, but there's always a contingent of uber-homers who pick apart CA or say its inferior only to later show that they've never once set foot over here. So I'm prepared lol.
