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Old 03-24-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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Too bad the US Census Bureau is replacing their MSA designations with the CSA:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets...2009/09-01.pdf

Good. I never understood why San Francisco and San Jose had to be split in the first place the way they were. Same for Raleigh-Durham.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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Good. I never understood why San Francisco and San Jose had to be split in the first place the way they were. Same for Raleigh-Durham.
It's also the same way with Greensboro/High Point being split with Winston-Salem. I've never really understood the MSA myself. I always thought that Salisbury should have been counted as part of the Charlotte metro area.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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How can it be the official word, when the official CSA counts come only every 10 years!
Why is that people from Philly ***** and moan about this all the damn time?
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Why is that people from Philly ***** and moan about this all the damn time?
Because they're actually more populated than statistics show...but much of the area surrounding them is counted as NYC's CSA...I don't see why they don't just combine NY & Philly CSAs. That way we can end all the bickering.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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Well, it is. This is the official word.
He is trying to say.....Philadelphia feels bigger than 6.5 million.

Towns in central NJ are the same distance from NYC as Philadelphia, but they are included into NYC metro, not Philly. Philadelphia is just one of those metro areas that feels bigger than their number listed. Milwaukee and Baltimore (MSA) are two others.

Houston, Dallas and Atlanta come to mind as three cities, which are the opposite. All three feel smaller than their actual metro populations.

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Old 03-24-2010, 02:27 PM
 
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He is trying to say.....Philadelphia feels bigger than 6.5 million.

Towns in central NJ are the same distance from NYC as Philadelphia, but they are included into NYC metro, not Philly. Philadelphia is just one of those metro areas that feels bigger than their number listed. Milwaukee and Baltimore (MSA) are two others.

Houston, Dallas and Atlanta come to mind as three cities, which are the opposite. All three feel smaller than there actual metro populations.
Philly has the geographic misfortune to be located in an area where there are a lot of adjacent areas that are considered metros/MSA's right next to each other. The US Census goes by commuting patterns, so while many don't like the idea of say, Mercer County being being a part of NYC's metro, the commuting patterns indicate why they are. I don't think it's the most accurate way to measure, but oh well. I don't like how San Francisco and San Jose are considered to be separate when the Bay Area essentially functions as one entity.

OTOH, DFW, Houston and Atlanta tend to be the larger/dominant metro areas for miles on end. For example, the closest metro areas to Atlanta are Chattanooga, Birmingham, and Greenville/Spartanburg. They're hundreds of miles away and there are large gaps of development between them.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:29 PM
 
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It's also the same way with Greensboro/High Point being split with Winston-Salem. I've never really understood the MSA myself. I always thought that Salisbury should have been counted as part of the Charlotte metro area.

I know that Salisbury is considered to be a part of Charlotte's CSA.

I didn't know that the Bureau considered Greensboro/High Point to be considered separate from Winston-Salem too. While the Triad has large gaps of development, it's considered to be one metro area by the locals, much like the Triangle, right?
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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San Antonio is not a CSA. If it was it would count parts of Austin.
I meant to put the MSA designation after San Antonio, Miami, San Diego, etc. Good catch.
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Old 03-24-2010, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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He is trying to say.....Philadelphia feels bigger than 6.5 million.

Towns in central NJ are the same distance from NYC as Philadelphia, but they are included into NYC metro, not Philly. Philadelphia is just one of those metro areas that feels bigger than their number listed. Milwaukee and Baltimore (MSA) are two others.

Houston, Dallas and Atlanta come to mind as three cities, which are the opposite. All three feel smaller than their actual metro populations.
Which is cool. I dont disagree that Philly feels bigger than 6.5 million CSA or that it feels bigger than some of the sunbelt metros, but it is what it is. If they want to combine Philly with the NYC CSA, wonderful. Good for them. It doesnt really matter to me, I feel to see why the complaining is necesary.
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Old 03-24-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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Too bad the US Census Bureau is replacing their MSA designations with the CSA:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets...2009/09-01.pdf

CSA is what you call "over kill".
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