Chicago + Los Angeles VERSUS New York City (difference, living, cost)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by TheCity

No, they do. A person would need to look at average salary per person, not household.

Per capita income (aka "per person") is still higher in several other metro areas than NYC metro.

Highest-income metropolitan statistical areas in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[TheCity]

Originally Posted by sav858

Per capita income (aka "per person") is still higher in several other metro areas than NYC metro.

Highest-income metropolitan statistical areas in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, the title of this states "Median Household Income" where salaries are listed. Per capita income for a household and ONE individual person are two different things.

[Gordon Gekko.]

Originally Posted by sav858

Actually they don't, several metro areas have a higher median income than NYC, much higher actually. The SF Bay Area and Washington DC area being the two areas with the highest median household income in the nation.

That's because New York City is much larger "diverse" (immigrant hub, if you will) than SF Bay Area or Washington DC.

Median household numbers for "average" via community surveys are rubbish. The only way to measure wealth is by looking at the top 5-10% which is published by the IRS. Or millionaire/billionaire stats.

In that case....

Wealthiest by top 5% Household Income:

1. New York, NY: $857,643
2. Fairfield, CT: $822,708
3. Westchester, NY: $793,134
4. Somerset, NJ: $625,869
5. Marin, CA: $624,762
6. Montgomery, MD: $567,190
7. Hunterdon, NJ: $554,015
8. Morris, NJ: $546,982
9. Nassau, NY: $538,307
10. San Francisco, CA: $523,744

Wealthiest CSA by top 5% Household Income:

1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA: $481,789
2. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA: $456,092
3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA: $414,045
4. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA: $391,995
5. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $384,609
6. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $371,391
7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA: $357,461
8. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA: $347,935
9. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL CSA: $347,311
10.Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA: $342,812


White collar in NYC is in a different class as those lesser cities.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by TheCity

Again, the title of this states "Median Household Income" where salaries are listed. Per capita income for a household and ONE individual person are two different things.

Scroll down to the PER CAPITA income chart farther down on the page, it's righ below the first chart on median household income and is titled "Metropolitan statistical areas ranked by per capita income". It's on that same page farther down.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko.

That's because New York City is much larger "diverse" (immigrant hub, if you will) than SF Bay Area or Washington DC.

Median household numbers for "average" via community surveys are rubbish. The only way to measure wealth is by looking at the top 5-10% which is published by the IRS. Or millionaire/billionaire stats.

Measure wealth whatever way you need to in order to get through the day but the fact of the matter is overall the NYC metro area does NOT have the highest median income or the highest per capita income overall. Those are statistics that you can't refute although I'm sure you'll try.

[TheCity]

Originally Posted by sav858

Scroll down to the PER CAPITA income chart farther down on the page, it's righ below the first chart on median household income and is titled "Metropolitan statistical areas ranked by per capita income". It's on that same page farther down.

I don''t believe those for a second. Naples and West Palm Beach Florida have better jobs than NYC? I don't think so..............

[sav858]

Originally Posted by TheCity

I don''t believe those for a second. Naples and West Palm Beach Florida have better jobs than NYC? I don't think so..............

I think it has more to do with the fact that they are much much smaller and have less poor people and immigrants bringing down the average. Also considering it's Florida I would venture those places have a higher percentage of seniors, meaning no kids in the house to bring the per capita income stats down. It's definitely not better jobs.

[Gordon Gekko.]

Originally Posted by sav858

Measure wealth whatever way you need to in order to get through the day but the fact of the matter is overall the NYC metro area does NOT have the highest median income or the highest per capita income overall. Those are statistics that you can't refute although I'm sure you'll try.

Average people are poor not wealthy. Here in the real world, we don't use the "average" to gauge wealth. You should be used to average, coming from that dump San Diego obviously.

If we're talking wealth, nothing comes remotely close to New York City. As seen by billionaire/millionaire/top% stats/.

And you might want to update your info, New York City metro (with our humongous population, massive diversity and vast ghettos) does have the second highest per-capita income in the United States.

Manhattan, the large urban community, with our underachieving/welfare parasite neighbors to the north of us in Harlem, still manages to hold on to the title of the second highest per-capita income in the United States (behind some 1,500 village/Podunk in Wyoming). Well ahead of uniform suburban counties like Fairfield. Hmmmm.

Per Capita County Income

1. Teton, Wyoming $132,728
2. New York, New York $120,790
3. Loving, Texas $99,593
4. Pitkin, Colorado $93,465
5. Marin, California $91,483
6. Fairfield, Connecticut $81,576
7. Westchester, New York $74,878

According to The Bureau of Economic Analysis, US Commerce Department;

Metro Code# Area name Rank

89488 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA (CSA) 54,234 1
89408 New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA (CSA) 49,869 2
89548 Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV (CSA) 48,375 3
89148 Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH (CSA) 45,531 4
89494 Sarasota-Bradenton-Punta Gorda, FL (CSA) 44,104 5
89278 Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT (CSA) 43,688 6
89216 Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO (CSA) 43,673 7
89500 Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA (CSA) 43,645 8
89378 Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI (CSA) 42,913 9
89288 Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX (CSA) 42,793 10
89428 Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD (CSA) 42,389 11
89456 Reno-Sparks-Fernley, NV (CSA) 42,332 12
89442 Port St. Lucie-Sebastian-Vero Beach, FL (CSA) 41,964 13
89176 Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI (CSA) 41,282 14
89420 Omaha-Council Bluffs-Fremont, NE-IA (CSA) 39,670 15
89406 New Orleans-Metairie-Bogalusa, LA (CSA) 39,494 16
89358 Madison-Baraboo, WI (CSA) 39,410 17
89206 Dallas-Fort Worth, TX (CSA) 39,305 18
89376 Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI (CSA) 39,051 19
89372 Midland-Odessa, TX (CSA) 38,695 20
89218 Des Moines-Newton-Pella, IA (CSA) 38,350 21
89492 Santa Fe-Espanola, NM (CSA) 38,243 22
89430 Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA (CSA) 38,164 23
89332 Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV (CSA) 38,106 24
89538 Tulsa-Bartlesville, OK (CSA) 38,106 24
89180 Claremont-Lebanon, NH-VT (CSA) 37,634 26
89476 St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL (CSA) 37,338 27
89400 Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Columbia, TN (CSA) 37,326 28
89220 Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI (CSA) 37,323 29
89348 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA (CSA) 37,306 30
89312 Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS (CSA) 37,154 31
89556 Wichita-Winfield, KS (CSA) 37,046 32

[TheCity]

Originally Posted by sav858

I think it has more to do with the fact that they are much much smaller and have less poor people and immigrants bringing down the average. Also considering it's Florida I would venture those places have a higher percentage of seniors, meaning no kids in the house to bring the per capita income stats down. It's definitely not better jobs.

Also, they passed Boston and DC too for income, which is weird. You gave a very good explanation as to why.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by BPerone201

Mhmm, and southerns and west coasters don't.. Ok and the sky is red, no green, no apple pie!

I'm not being egotistic. I've actually made a thread a while back venting my feelings toward NYC/NNJ arrogance I see on these forums.
And you can't sit here and tell me NYC isn't a more powerful city. Jobs pay higher in NYC than anywhere else in the nation, I can't even imagine how much money is stashed on Wall st., and the price tag to live in NYC (Manhattan) is ridiculously higher than Chi/LA. But why use logic?!

I never said LA/CHI isn't powerful (but you assumed I did for whatever annoying reason)... NYC is overall just the stronger city in this make believe comparison.

Mhmm east coast posters superior complexes are on level mars. Ok of course the sky is red, no green, no apple pie, just like it not boasting when posters are trying to argue which one of two places that’s basically equivalent by Population and GPD is more powerful. It’s like a older twin saying I’m older than you because I was born 2 minutes earlier, ummm ok! Instead of comparing the two places, which you rather stay and etc. Yall arguing something that even if true, the difference is minor. That’s why I said, are yall doing this for yall egos? Because the answer equal pointless.

New York coast of living has more to do with density and the scarcity of land, and also politics and taxation, so it make sense that it cost more in which salaries are higher I don’t know how this is relevant to a city power? But anyway cost of living, now that I think about LA-Chi combine cost of living will be to .