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I don't know that I would compare Illinois or New York to California. I think comparing Texas to California would be the better comparison. If that were the case, Texas is much better .
Northern Illinois is ok but Southern Illinois SUCKS!!!! Trust me, I live 10 mins away.
New York State doesn't really impress me either but I grew up a few hours away and got tired of visiting.
I don't know that I would compare Illinois or New York to California. I think comparing Texas to California would be the better comparison. If that were the case, Texas is much better .
Northern Illinois is ok but Southern Illinois SUCKS!!!! Trust me, I live 10 mins away.
New York State doesn't really impress me either but I grew up a few hours away and got tired of visiting.
Southern Illinois sucks? Its a mostly rural area. What are you comparing it to --- cities like Los Angeles or San Francisco?
Instead how about comparing rural Southern Illinois to that of the Central Valley? If I was a farmer, I would take Illinois over California, at least I would not have to worry about running out of water eventually. Not to mention a major earthquake destroying the aqueduct system.
For the most part, I would also prefer to live in a small town in Illinois or New York over those of California. Upstate New York in particular has some old fashioned Currier and Ives looking towns. Naturally it depends which small town of course, and I do think the Northern California coast has some nice ones.
After finally visiting California (San Fran-Santa Rosa) I really figured out why so many people love California. Great weather, beautiful scenery, the works. I didn't think it was the greatest place in America due to some absences, but My favorite state will always be NY. I don't need IL to level it out.
New York and Illinois would be based more on cities and the urban lifestyle, while California would offer more to beach and hiking types... with some urban lifestyle in San Francisco... and some beach and hiking in New York. I think it depends on where you place your values.
Southern Illinois sucks? Its a mostly rural area. What are you comparing it to --- cities like Los Angeles or San Francisco?
I'm saying it sucks in comparison to these more urban areas. Everybody seems to be comparing the major cities and not the whole state. So I figured I'd throw in how much different southern Ill is compared to Northern Ill.
If you want cities, flat, rural southern Ill is not for you.
Take the illegals out of the equation and there is probably 500,000 Californians left over.
Are you sure that's not an overestimation?
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Instead how about comparing rural Southern Illinois to that of the Central Valley? If I was a farmer, I would take Illinois over California, at least I would not have to worry about running out of water eventually. Not to mention a major earthquake destroying the aqueduct system.
The Central Valley north of Sacramento (or the Sacramento Valley) gets between 20-40 inches of rain, most of it falling between November and March. The area routinely has problems with flooding, due to the overflow of rivers and inundation from the winter storms. The farmers of that region have the opposite problem of running out of water.
Fresno County: 3,730,546
Kern County: 3,204,107
Kings County: 1,358,410
Madera County: 990,121
Merced County: 2,330,408
San Joaquin County: 1,564,354
Stanislaus County: 1,820,564
Tulare County: 3,335,014 San Joaquin Valley TOTAL (area 27,515 sq. mi): $18,333,524,000
Illinois TOTAL (area 57,918 sq. mi): $16,356,790,000,000
However, there is still 50% of California's total farm income that comes from areas that aren't the Central Valley and not nearly as dry as the region (aside from Imperial Valley). The Central Coastal Valleys from Ventura County to Santa Cruz County in themselves produce so much of California's agricultural income, and are moist enough to not need water from California's aqueducts.
These areas are considered "America's Produce Bowl" because they grow much of the lettuce, strawberries, oranges, brocolli, artichokes, and so many other of the fruits and vegetables that we enjoy
Ventura County: $$1,316,315,000,000
Santa Barbara County: $951,326,000,000
San Luis Obispo County: $560,307,000,000
Monterey County: $2,178,470,000,000
Santa Cruz County: $447,417,000,000 Central Coast TOTAL (area 11,656 sq. miles): $5,543,835,000,000
You're right though about the threat of earthquakes though. However, most of the SJ Valley isn't near the San Andreas fault line, but a possible big earthquake could still have a large effect on the region. However, the Sacramento Valley is still relatively safe from the threat of earthquakes, but is threatened instead by possibly active volcanoes.
No matter where you go, there will be the threat of natural disasters.
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For the most part, I would also prefer to live in a small town in Illinois or New York over those of California. Upstate New York in particular has some old fashioned Currier and Ives looking towns. Naturally it depends which small town of course, and I do think the Northern California coast has some nice ones.
I agree with you. I've never been to IL, but I find some of the towns in Upstate NY to be quite charming. I do think that the rural parts of all these states are vastly underrated, but should be judged on a town by town basis if it were to be judged at all.
I'm saying it sucks in comparison to these more urban areas. Everybody seems to be comparing the major cities and not the whole state.
So I figured I'd throw in how much different southern Ill is compared to Northern Ill.
If you want cities, flat, rural southern Ill is not for you.
You're comparing rural Illinois with LA and San Francisco?
I mean, really, you're kidding, right?
Of course it'll "suck," but I bet you $100 there are plenty of people who'd prefer rural areas to urban ones.
As for southern Illinois being different from northern, I really think you mean Illinois being different from Chicago.
Northern Illinois also includes northwestern IL, which isn't much different from the rest of our state.
I'll admit, southern Illinois has better landscaping, especially in forests. It's a lovely area.
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