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I might be applying to both for law school this coming cycle, so we will see what happens (Chicago is ranked 7th, while UMich is ranked 9th). I have a friend who goes to Chicago and does not really like it that much and calls it "the place where fun goes to die". Another friend who goes to UMich has been greatly enjoying her experience, but happens to hate the winters.
Ironically, my dream school was Northwestern (I have no clue why, now that I think about it), but I ended up going to Berkeley instead because of the in-state price AND the scholarships I got meant that I have no student debt right now Grad School is most likely going to kill that, but it will probably also mean I would take career hunting way more seriously instead of this post-UG limbo of studying for various tests and working at odd jobs.
The in-state\out-of-state tuition prices made a huge difference to me. Was that the determining factor of why you transferred schools?
I guess I should have rephrased it: how much does the average (lay) person know about the University of Chicago? Not that it matters much anyways, but its just a curse of being a school named after a geographic region.
I know a lot of people who confuse UPenn with Penn State, or think UMich, UVa are equivalents to the Cal State system here (not that the Cal States are bad...)
The main reason why I transferred was to be closer to home. Ann Arbor was completely different than what I had imagined it would be. I never considered the winter months, which played a huge role in my determination at the school. I found myself cutting large amount of class in the months of January and early February because of the cold weathers.
Plus I also want to pursue a career in law, and I want to go to Columbia for Law school, so I had to fix my problems that I had at Ann Arbor, so i transferred. I wanted to be at the top of my game, to do the best work I can possibly do, and in a way, I consider it UT to be much less of a distraction. Because I'm closer to home, so I don't have to worry about not seeing family as often, and the weather is more favorable.
I really do miss the college life at Ann Arbor though. But I know I can do a lot better now, lol, I won't be going back to sleep after waking up and feeling the cold floor and freezing on the way to class.
Actually, all of these cities are global cities according to GaWC, with Philadelphia, Detroit, and San Diego residing at a lower level than Minneapolis.
Oh, really? Good for MPLS! I'm not sure how much that means, but I suppose GaWC's authority at least trumps mine.
I think you could make an argument that it is not a real city and only a large centered suburban area with tall buildings. Doesn't mean it sucks though
I would really like to see this argument. If anything it exposes a Northeast bias of what a city is and that's about it.
I would really like to see this argument. If anything it exposes a Northeast bias of what a city is and that's about it.
Just a personal opinion and preference; and there are many cities in every region that possess this quality - yes most of the NE cities but also MW cities; west coast cities (SF, Seattle etc.) and Southern cities (NOLA, Charleston etc.
In my opinion these just feel more urban/city-like
Some newer developed cities have areas that feel more urban with gaps or suburbia intersperced; lacking cohesion of urbanity that make them feel more like a hybrid; thus to me they feel less urban and more suburban
I personally don't like the way US News ranks undergraduate schools, because it gives way too much credence to factors such as alumni donations rather than the strength of the education itself. I really wished that they would stick to Peer Assessment scores, which is basically academics ranking each others schools.
However, where you went to school does correlate to how successful you may be in life, but its still not the be all end all. Hard work and dedication are still factors that can't be mathematically based.
There IS something to be said about the fact that in terms of top schools, the Northeast is way overrepresented. That doesn't mean it will always remain that way, because institutions like Berkeley and Stanford are less than 150 years old, while UCLA is less than 100 years old! The fact that schools in the West and South are fast catching up to the Northeast in terms of prestige is pretty exciting. Since prestige takes time to develop, the fact that newer institutions are becoming just as good as our older ones is a great development toward making this nation as a whole, very strong.
Here's a proxy of the top 3 most represented schools in the graduate school list from each region with their founding year to see what I mean:
East Coast: Harvard (1636) Yale (1701) Columbia (1754)
West Coast: Berkeley (1868) Stanford (1891) UCLA (1919)
Midwest: University of Michigan, Ann Arbor (1817) Northwestern University (1851) University of Chicago (1890)
South: University of Virginia (1819) Duke University (1837) UT: Austin (1883)
The Western United States has extremely young schools (in fact, Berkeley is the oldest school on the West Coast). We'll see in our lifetime how the University of California system develops vis-a-vis the Northeastern schools. As time moves on, I can see the Southern schools gaining more of a reputation abroad and in the United States, as more and more people move to the South.
However, I do feel sorry for those who went to U. Chicago, because almost no one outside of academia knows how good of a school it really is. Or in fact, how good of a school University of Michigan is (I consider it to be a peer of Berkeley).
Where is the link? Texas A&M and GA-TECH are also top institutions in the south.
Just a personal opinion and preference; and there are many cities in every region that possess this quality - yes most of the NE cities but also MW cities; west coast cities (SF, Seattle etc.) and Southern cities (NOLA, Charleston etc.
In my opinion these just feel more urban/city-like
Some newer developed cities have areas that feel more urban with gaps or suburbia intersperced; lacking cohesion of urbanity that make them feel more like a hybrid; thus to me they feel less urban and more suburban
I see your point. However, IMO, any city that does have a decent skyline, metro population around 1 million, and a GDP above $50 billion, is hardly a suburb.
US News and World Report 2009 Ranking of Graduate Schools
Red: Northeast
Blue: West Orange: Midwest
Purple: South
Best Business Schools 1-tied Harvard 1-tied Stanford 3 U. of Pennsylvania(Wharton) 4-tie MIT(Sloan) 4-tie Northwestern(Kellogg) 7-tie Dartmouth(Tuck) 7-tie U. of California, Berkeley(Haas) 9 Columbia
10 NYU(Stern)
11 U. of California, Los Angeles(Anderson) 12 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor(Ross) 13 Yale 14-tie Cornell(Johnson) 14-tie Duke(Fuqua)
14-tie U. of Virginia(Darden)
Best Law Schools 1 Yale 2-tie Harvard 2-tie Stanford 4 Columbia
5 NYU 6 U. of California, Berkeley 7-tie U. of Chicago 7-tie U. of Pennsylvania 9-tie Northwestern
9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor 9-tie U. of Virginia 12 Cornell
14 Georgetown 15 Vanderbilt
Best Medical Schools 1 Harvard
2 Johns Hopkins 3 Washington U. in St. Louis 4 U. of Pennsylvania 5 U. of California, San Francisco 6-tie Duke 6-tie U. of Washington 8 Stanford 9-tie U. of California, Los Angeles 9-tie Yale 11-tie Columbia 11-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor 12 Baylor 14-tie U. of California, San Diego 14-tie U. of Pittsburgh
Best Engineering Schools 1 MIT 2 Stanford
3 U. of California, Berkeley 4 Georgia Tech 5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign 6 Cal Tech 7 Carnegie Mellon 8 U. of California, Los Angeles(Viterbi) 9-tie Cornell 9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor 11 U. of California, San Diego 13-tie Texas A&M 13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles(Samueli) 15-tie Purdue 15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
Best Education Schools 1 Stanford 2 Vanderbilt 3 U. of California, Los Angeles 4 Columbia 5 U. of Oregon
6 Harvard 7-tie U. of California, Berkeley 7-tie U. of Washington 9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor 10-tie U. of Pennsylvania 10-tie U. of Texas, Austin 12-tie Northwestern
12-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
14-tie Michigan State U. 14-tie NYU
Best Biological Sciences Schools 1 Stanford 2-tie MIT 2-tie U. of California, Berkeley 4-tie Cal Tech 4-tie Harvard
6 Johns Hopkins 7-tie Rockefeller U. 7-tie Scripps Research Institute(CA) 7-tie U. of California, San Francisco 7-tie Yale 12-tie Cornell
12-tie Duke 12-tie Princeton
15-tie Columbia 15-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
Best Chemistry Schools 1-tie Cal Tech 1-tie MIT 1-tie Stanford 1-tie U. of California, Berkeley 5 Harvard 6 Scripps Research Institute(CA) 7-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
7-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison 9-tie Cornell 9-tie Northwestern 11 Columbia
12-tie U. of California, Los Angeles 12-tie U. of Chicago 12-tie U. of Texas, Austin 15 Yale
Best Computer Science Schools 1-tie MIT 1-tie Stanford 1-tie U. of California, Berkeley 4 Carnegie Mellon U. 5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign 6-tie Cornell 6-tie Princeton 6-tie U. of Washington 9-tie Georgia Tech
9-tie U. of Texas, Austin 11-tie Cal Tech 11-tie U. of Wisonsin, Madison 13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles 13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park 13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Best Earth Science Schools 1 Cal Tech 2-tie MIT 2-tie Stanford 4 U. of California, Berkeley 5-tie Columbia 5-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor 7 Pennsylvania State U., University Park 8 U. of Arizona 9 Harvard 9 U. of Texas, Austin 11-tie Princeton 11-tie U. of California, Los Angeles 11-tie U. of Washington 11-tie Yale 15-tie Cornell 15-tie U. of California, San Diego 15-tie U. of Chicago
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
Best Mathematics Schools 1 Princeton 2-tie Harvard
2-tie-MIT 2-tie Stanford 2-tie U. of California, Berkeley 6 U. Of Chicago 7-tie Cal Tech 7-tie Yale
9-tie Columbia
9-tie NYU 9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor 12 U. of California, Los Angeles 13 Cornell
14-tie Brown 14-tie U. of Texas, Austin 14-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
Best Physics Schools
1-tie MIT 1-tie Stanford 3-tie Cal Tech 3-tie Harvard 3-tie Princeton 3-tie U. of California, Berkeley 7 Cornell 8-tie U. of Chicago
8-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign 10 U. of California, Santa Barbara 11-tie Columbia
11-tie Yale 13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park 13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor 13-tie U. of Pennsylvania
Total Programs Ranked in this sample: 11
Northeast: 69/169 in the top 15 (40.8%)
West: 51/169 in the top 15 (30.2%) Midwest: 33/169 in the top 15 (19.5%)
South: 16/169 in the top 15 (9.5%)
Weighted By Representation in Proportion to Population (source: US MAP) Northeast: 20.4% of the US population (overrepresented by by a factor of 100%)
West: 21.2% of the US population (overrepresented by a factor of 42%)
Midwest: 24.0% of the US population (underrepresented by a factor of 18.75%)
South: 34.4% of the US population (underrepresented by a factor of 72.4%)
Do people even read other people's posts before asking questions like that, or do people here purposely look for a point of contention for the sake or arguing endlessly?
In case you guys forget: undergrad =/= graduate school.
Ivy League schools mean nothing, the West Coast's schools are on par or superior to the Ivies. There is nothing "amazing" about those schools being located there - the most impressive colleges and universities in the country are located in Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Not that you had much credibility before, but now you have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.
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I see your point. However, IMO, any city that does have a decent skyline, metro population around 1 million, and a GDP above $50 billion, is hardly a suburb.
Those are the same criteria's I normally use to measure a city, along with safety and FOOD!
I would think it goes without saying that the one with New York in it is the most powerful.
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Grad School is most likely going to kill that, but it will probably also mean I would take career hunting way more seriously instead of this post-UG limbo of studying for various tests and working at odd jobs.
