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Old 06-20-2014, 01:32 AM
 
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Even in Sacramento, blacks don't do a whole lot or have control over their communities. This is why I suggest to anyone black in CA, GTFO and go to Atlanta.
Sacramento has a Black Mayor (former NBA Star Kevin Johnson), and 3/8 of our city councilmembers are Black. WTF are you talking about?
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Old 06-20-2014, 03:55 PM
 
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Haha, I actually did get lost and drove past Cabrini Green in the middle of the night years back with a rental car (long story!), and I definitely wouldn't have recommended it! But that was driving past literally the worst development in America during its peak-ish time with a brand-new car with out-of-state plates, and I obviously made it. Crazy to see things to a degree I've yet to see before or since (burning barrels on many blocks, more boarded up than Detroit or ESL, hookers in unbelievably skimpy outfits in 10 degree winter, you name it).

Great point on crime peaking decades ago in pretty much every major inner city - when you talk to people who lived through those years and are natives/locals, they'll tell horror stories about how much worse it was back then. If you talk to suburbans, they'll tell you it's way worse now in the face of any and all hard statistics to the contrary
I think it's because the suburbs have gotten worse in the last 20 or so years. Areas that were once considered suburbs 25yrs ago, have transformed into high crime ex-burbs. The inner-city has gotten safer, but the burbs have higher crime rates. And as far as Cabrini Green, I met a white Mormon dude who was doing missions there handing out pamphlets. It seems like Whites in the Midwest always have tales of driving or getting lost in some big Midwest city ghetto. This fear being played out on film like National Lampoons Family Vacation, when Chevy Chase and his family got lost in the ghetto of St.Louis.

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Old 06-21-2014, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Berkeley, S.F. Bay Area
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Oakland.

You have your occasional really bad shooting, coupled with frequent break-ins and thieves running around, taking advantage of the gentrification. Its really over-exaggerated however, the murders have cooled off and usually happened in one area, and the break-ins are actually common but just lock your stuff up better and wait 10 years for all the criminals to get bored or move out. Meanwhile, half of Oakland is barely different from Berkeley and San Francisco, and yet Oakland as a whole gets this bad rep because of these incidents.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Pleasanton, CA
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Oakland.

You have your occasional really bad shooting, coupled with frequent break-ins and thieves running around, taking advantage of the gentrification. Its really over-exaggerated however, the murders have cooled off and usually happened in one area, and the break-ins are actually common but just lock your stuff up better and wait 10 years for all the criminals to get bored or move out. Meanwhile, half of Oakland is barely different from Berkeley and San Francisco, and yet Oakland as a whole gets this bad rep because of these incidents.
Oakland's bad areas really are BAD though and a lot of crime does happen in them, both violent and non-violent. I do agree also though that Oakland does get a negative reputation that it doesn't really deserve. There are large portions of the city that are perfectly fine and even quite a few that are completely upscale. I've always been pleasantly surprised with Oakland's nice areas. My wife and I actually had our engagement pictures taken at a park in the Oakland Hills before we got married...beautiful area with sweeping views of San Francisco and the bay!
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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Oakland.

You have your occasional really bad shooting, coupled with frequent break-ins and thieves running around, taking advantage of the gentrification. Its really over-exaggerated however, the murders have cooled off and usually happened in one area, and the break-ins are actually common but just lock your stuff up better and wait 10 years for all the criminals to get bored or move out. Meanwhile, half of Oakland is barely different from Berkeley and San Francisco, and yet Oakland as a whole gets this bad rep because of these incidents.
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There were an estimated 386.9 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2012, a rate that remained virtually unchanged when compared to the 2011 estimated rate. (See Tables 1 and 1A.) Aggravated assaults accounted for 62.6 percent of violent crimes reported to law enforcement in 2012.
Here's Oakland's numbers.


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Old 06-27-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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Many cities have high crime rates and horrible raw crime statistics on paper, but which of these type of cities do you believe gets a much worse reputation than it deserves (i.e. - Maybe the crime is just confined to a few VERY VERY bad areas, with much of the rest of the city being decent or very nice.

On the other hand, what cities do you believe are more crime infested than the "statistics" suggest?? (and which cities do you believe really does have widespread crime problems over much of the city?)
Overall crime stats don't make any sense because most cities live in two tales.

A good example of this is SF and Oakland. Oakland has the higher crime rate but a black man is in more danger living in SF.
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Old 06-27-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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I used to live in the New Orleans area and most of it is very safe, all the crime is concentrated in certain areas. Here in Baltimore the crime is everywhere and unavoidable. There is no place in this city where I feel safe walking at night alone or with others, and most people are afraid to use public transportation. In New Orleans that sense of danger was not as palpable. The key is that New Orleans like most cities is able to segregate its crime into specific neighborhoods while Baltimore unfortunately has crime everywhere, even in the nicest parts of the city.

Is St. Louis overhypaed for crime? It always ranks high on the national lists but I've never heard of it being a crime-ridden city at all.
I agree. I stayed at the harbor In Baltimore, and as soon as me and my friends left that area it was all ghetto from there. Nice people though.
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Old 06-27-2014, 08:22 PM
 
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Newark,NJ - very bad crime is confined to 2 neighborhoods
New Haven,CT
Baltimore,MD
I friend of mine did his masters degree at the University of New Haven. From his descriptions I doesn't sound like a very nice place. Granted this was about 12 years ago, and it could have improved since.
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Old 06-27-2014, 08:27 PM
 
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There are lots of parts of NYC that don't have very high crime rates on paper, but "feel" like dangerous places just because of the appearance of the public realm. Things like roll-down security gates on storefronts, barb-wire fences around small empty lots (why does an empty lot need a fence period, let alone a barb-wire fence), metal bars on the ground floors of homes, etc.

They are at least phasing out the ugly non-see through roll-down security gates, but businesses have until 2026 I think to get rid of them, so you'll be seeing them for years to come.
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Old 06-27-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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I friend of mine did his masters degree at the University of New Haven. From his descriptions I doesn't sound like a very nice place. Granted this was about 12 years ago, and it could have improved since.
Still a bad place and Hartford is rough to.
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