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Old 06-27-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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Also I do agree with the media and Chicago. Chicagos murder rate is not to crazy yet they make it seem like it's 50 per 100K.

One annoying thing is the constant videos of how 50 people got shot over the weekend. Um almost every city goes through rough weekend violence during holidays. It seems like they only report this when Chicago does it. Oh well.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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Oakland's bad areas really are BAD though and a lot of crime does happen in them, both violent and non-violent. I do agree also though that Oakland does get a negative reputation that it doesn't really deserve. There are large portions of the city that are perfectly fine and even quite a few that are completely upscale. I've always been pleasantly surprised with Oakland's nice areas. My wife and I actually had our engagement pictures taken at a park in the Oakland Hills before we got married...beautiful area with sweeping views of San Francisco and the bay!
Oakland has an exaggerated uniformly bad reputation partially because San Francisco doesn't want to lose tourist dollars to the city next door. SF is a top ten international tourist city. Many people consider SF to be the most beautiful city in the world. The city of San Francisco wants to milk every last drop of tourist dollars. Because of this, SF's bad areas are never even publicized in the mainstream national media.

People not from the Bay Area always make the assumption that San Francisco doesn't even have ghetto areas, period, because the national mainstream media never shines the spotlight on SF's ghetto areas. I hear it all the time here on the East Coast. People from the East Coast, who often either haven't been to SF at all or only visited the well-treaded generally safe tourist areas for a few days at the most, often make the pompous unfounded know-it-all assumption the only reason San Francisco would be dangerous is because its "close to Oakland". This couldn't be further from the truth because for years, SF and Oakland had about the same number of murders per city per year. Yes, SF is about twice the size of Oakland, but most murders in SF occur in the tucked away ghetto areas like Hunter's Point, Lakeview, Sunnydale etc.

Also, the vast majority of Americans have not lived in multiple big cities, or even multiple different metro areas, to be able to draw simple logical comparisons between big cities. Many Americans make the mistake of thinking individual big cities are uniformly "safe" or "dangerous" in terms of crime. People often make this assumption based on the safe suburbs vs. dangerous city dynamic of crime in the metro areas where they live. Cities that make the top ten most dangerous cities lists merely have more bad areas than good areas. Every big city in America has dangerous high-crime ghetto areas; even the cities that aren't talked about in that light in the mainstream media.

Oakland also holds a bad reputation because the town was once majority-black only a few decades ago. To this day, whites are outnumbered three to one in Oakland. This is not the case in San Francisco where nearly half of the city is made of up of white people and the black population is well below ten percent of the city's overall population. All in all, most cities in America are defined from a upper middle class white person's perspective. This is the reason why the general consensus is that San Francisco is a safe, low-crime city that is overpopulated by gay people. From a white perspective, all these things of San Francisco are true as most white people in SF are well-off financially and live in the nicer areas of town as well as the world famous gay population in SF being overwhelmingly white, unlike other major cities renowned for their gay populations like Atlanta and DC. Oakland is like Baltimore for well-off white people with small pockets of white affluence existing in a sea of minority ghettoization (i.e. Rockridge in Oakland and Roland Park in Baltimore). But from the average native black San Franciscan's perspective, black San Francisco is just as crime-ridden, dangerous, scary and impoverished as the worst blocks in Oakland. The vast majority of San Francisco's tiny black population lives in abject poverty in substandard housing projects scattered throughout the southern fringes of the city. But SF is a "nice place" for rich white people, so that's all that matters, right? Ironically, Oakland is home to a sizable black upper middle class and middle class. But like the wealthiest black majority county in America of PG County in Maryland, the existence of black middle class/affluence in Oakland is overshadowed by the negative crime reputation of the poorer parts of the municipality.

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Old 06-28-2014, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Compton is a joke these days people ain't nobody respect cpt no more

Newark nj been going wild they twice as bad as cpt nowadays for murders and Newark is carjack capital
Birmingham Alabama stay hood
Memphis stay hood
Detroit
Mississippi always hood
Louisiana
Baltimore
That's a good this. The rest of this are bad things.
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Old 06-28-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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St. Louis has the most over hyped crime rates in the nation especially when it comes to homicide. One of the reasons is people can't distinguish the difference between East St. Louis Illinois and St. Louis Missouri. Another big issues is the small city limits encompassing so much poverty and very little wealth. The thing for me is there are bad pockets all over the city and if you are not use to living in stable neighborhood next to a transitioning neighborhood next to ? It can be different but doesn't mean it's more dangerous than any other city or a person is in a dangerous situation.

Chicago gets a bad rap for political reasons. There has been a lot of controversy in that city with classification of homicide and self defense and how they report stats to the FBI. Chicago has a long history with gangs is another reason for the bad reputation along with the history of densified poverty of projects like Cabrini Green that has changed over the past 20 years.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:03 AM
 
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Compton is a joke these days people ain't nobody respect cpt no more

Newark nj been going wild they twice as bad as cpt nowadays for murders and Newark is carjack capital
Birmingham Alabama stay hood
Memphis stay hood
Detroit
Mississippi always hood
Louisiana
Baltimore
True, Compton doesn't even crack the top ten most violent cities in California anymore.

Bay Area leads California ? in violent crime - San Francisco Business Times

But people not from California think Compton is still as bad as it was in 1991 because all of the big name mainstream rappers like Kendrick Lamar and YG hail from there. Both rappers, while skilled, are extremely overrated. I don't understand why suburban white kids seem to love Kendrick Lamar so much. A lot of it has to do with the fact that mainstream Rap is after all tailored for mainstream America. Kendrick seems to be one of the only currently relevant mainstream rappers with a shred of authenticity and displayed intelligence as opposed to all the catchy brain-dead party music for turning up (i.e. 2Chainz) and trap music soundtracks for drug dealers created by rappers who never sold drugs themselves (i.e. Rock Ross). Upper middle class suburban white kids out here on the East Coast almost love Kendrick as much as they love Wu-Tang. But really, what can white kids from generic suburbia really relate to about growing up around drive by's and gang banging outside of their front door since their earliest memories? That is pretty much all Kendrick raps and talks about. Also, Boyz 'N The Hood plays on basic cable TV pretty much every week of the year. Hollywood and the L.A. based entertainment industry won't let America forget that Compton was the murder capital over twenty years ago. Today, Compton is just another working class Mexican-majority area like many places in L.A. county. Really, if it wasn't for the FBI warning success of Jerry Heller, Dr. Dre and N.W.A. in 1988, most people outside of California wouldn't know anything about Compton just like how most people outside of California have never even heard of once equally dangerous California cities like East Palo Alto and Richmond.

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Old 06-28-2014, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I do believe Chicago's was justifiably high in the 70's 80's and 90's (it had about the same pop it has today), but today, for the city in whole, the rate has plummeted dramatically. That said, some parts are just as bad as they were back in the day, like Englewood and Garfield Park. It's mainly used nowadays as an argument of how gun control is a failure (and it truly is).
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:32 AM
 
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It Ain't plummet that much when you consider the era. Way more people surviving wounds today. 50 people get shot in a weekend and only 8 end up dying these days. 50 people shot in a weekend in the 70s twice as many or more would die.
That's hard to determine. What you do is look at the aggravated assault for a city back in the 90s and compare it to now. Aggravated assaults can show people that have been shot, but haven't died (which becomes murder).
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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It Ain't plummet that much when you consider the era. Way more people surviving wounds today. 50 people get shot in a weekend and only 8 end up dying these days. 50 people shot in a weekend in the 70s twice as many or more would die.
I guess that can be said that crime has went down everywhere in the nation, but the population, as I said is the same as it was in those earlier times, which makes it go down. That also is very true about the difference in how people are treated. Now, if the population were to decrease (which is not a crazy thing to say, and is highly likely in a few years), then yes, the crime rate will go up. But right now, it's gone down. But other than that, over 1000 have been shot in the city to date for this year, and it's just about halfway through the year... damn.
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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They did a study a few months back and said based on medical advances the murder rate would be worse today than 40 years ago

They should judge places based on attempted murder not actual murder. All shootings stabbings all that **** instead of only counting it if they die. Of course more people gonna die from wounds in 70s and 1990 than in 2014 we went from no internet basically and big ass computers to all the **** now internet on a lil pocket cell phone
Not even murder but crimes in general because murders and attempted murders usually affect a certain type of people.

Often it's thug vs thug whereas rape and robberies tend to happen to strangers.
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Old 06-28-2014, 12:10 PM
 
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They should judge places based on attempted murder not actual murder. All shootings stabbings all that **** instead of only counting it if they die.
They already do that.
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