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Washington DC automatically in a class by itself (If it's included as southern)
Tier 1:
Houston
Atlanta
Dallas
Miami
(No particular order)
Tier 2A:
Nashville
New Orleans
Austin
Orlando
Tier 2B: (It is nothing less than 2A, just a different sort-These are also noticeably small cities)
Savannah
Charleston
Tier 3:
Jacksonville
San Antonio
Fort Worth
Tampa
Charlotte
Louisville
Memphis
Tier 4:
Oklahoma City
Tulsa
Knoxville
Raleigh
Fort Lauderdale
Tier 5:
Mobile
Corpus Christi
Birmingham
Little Rock
El Paso is omitted from the list because it is not southern, it is southwestern/western.
This is darn close IMO.
I would make a few small amendments:
I would put Louisville and Jacksonville in Tier 4, moving OK City/Tulsa into Tier 3. Also, I would would move Charleston into Tier 2 under Orlando and move Savannah into Tier 5.
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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HMM...exactly!
Oh gosh! I just looked at my post, I must have made it right after commenting on the "Live Music Capital cities" thread, which is why I placed Austin, Nashville, and New Orleans together. Charlotte should be in tier 2A as well, and Tampa too.
If there's going to be a sub tier 1A, it would have to include Charlotte and Austin, in that order followed by the next cities. Charlotte is just too much of an economic engine in the region to have it behind Nashville or NOLA. It has the 21st largest GAP in the nation, compared to Nashville(38), NOLA(41), but Austin's is 37th, so you could put it behind these 2 cities for other reasons.
Putting Nashville/NOLA over Charlotte would be like putting Miami over Houston. Also San Antonio should be much higher, it has the 36th largest GAP, ahead of Nashville, NOLA, Austin, etc.
Of course, if this wasn't in any order, then never mind my comments, except about including Charlotte in tier 1-A.
I first want to say that I am indeed a Charlotte booster. Now that my bias is out there I do agree with this statement based on facts. Charlotte is indeed an economic engine in the South. In the Southeast it is arguably the number 2 city (Houston is Deep South Gulf Coast, DFW is Southcentral, Miami is in a league of south of South and al eague on its own, these are not necessarily Southeastern). It's MSA population is 35th I believe, but its MSA GDP is 21st. I think those facts alone are astounding. Today, we just opened up our NASCAR HOF so our tourism and convention industry is starting to pick up.
If you base your tier on something else other than population and GDP it gets a little bit more hard to separate the tiers. Cultural facilities and all that jazz is in the eye of the beholder.
Washington DC automatically in a class by itself (If it's included as southern)
Tier 1:
Houston
Atlanta
Dallas
Miami
(No particular order)
Tier 2A:
Nashville
New Orleans
Austin
Orlando
Tier 2B: (It is nothing less than 2A, just a different sort-These are also noticeably small cities)
Savannah
Charleston
Tier 3:
Jacksonville
San Antonio
Fort Worth
Tampa
Charlotte
Louisville
Memphis
Tier 4:
Oklahoma City
Tulsa
Knoxville
Raleigh
Fort Lauderdale
Tier 5:
Mobile
Corpus Christi
Birmingham
Little Rock
El Paso is omitted from the list because it is not southern, it is southwestern/western.
You know you my cousin and normally I agree with you. But I have some issues with your list. How is Charlotte ranked behind Nashville, New Orleans, and Austin? Especially considering that its GDP is behind them and is continuing to outgrow them. You've seen me post this data before. Same thing with Raleigh. Charlotte should move up, and so should Raleigh. Not to mention, if you were to combine Raleigh and Durham back into one MSA, which they really are, its GDP would only be behind all of the tier 1 cities and Charlotte. It's GDP is around $85 billion. Go RTP!
You could also add New Orleans with Savannah and Charleston. Truly unique and wonderful Southern cities.
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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You know you my cousin and normally I agree with you. But I have some issues with your list. How is Charlotte ranked behind Nashville, New Orleans, and Austin? Especially considering that its GDP is behind them and is continuing to outgrow them. You've seen me post this data before. Same thing with Raleigh. Charlotte should move up, and so should Raleigh. Not to mention, if you were to combine Raleigh and Durham back into one MSA, which they really are, its GDP would only be behind all of the tier 1 cities and Charlotte. It's GDP is around $85 billion. Go RTP!
You could also add New Orleans with Savannah and Charleston. Truly unique and wonderful Southern cities.
LOL! I addressed this issue myself just yesterday I believe!
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Oh gosh! I just looked at my post, I must have made it right after commenting on the "Live Music Capital cities" thread, which is why I placed Austin, Nashville, and New Orleans together. Charlotte should be in tier 2A as well, and Tampa too.
Lol, it was a basic mistake of mine.
^^ Made a common mistake lol. I didn't even realize it until after I posted it. Then it hit me and I was like "Oh goshhhh wrong thread!!!" I thought this was the thread for "Live Music Capitals" and I got confused because it was really late/or I was tired and haha, this big blunder ended up occurring.
LOL! I addressed this issue myself just yesterday I believe!
^^ Made a common mistake lol. I didn't even realize it until after I posted it. Then it hit me and I was like "Oh goshhhh wrong thread!!!" I thought this was the thread for "Live Music Capitals" and I got confused because it was really late/or I was tired and haha, this big blunder ended up occurring.
I got you cuzzo. We cool. But did you notice what I said about Raleigh-Durham? Overall, your list was good. Now concerning live music, you would be right, but we're getting better here in the Queen City.
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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I got you cuzzo. We cool. But did you notice what I said about Raleigh-Durham? Overall, your list was good. Now concerning live music, you would be right, but we're getting better here in the Queen City.
Yeah I remember what you said about Raleigh!
Research Triangle is giving cities 20X larger than itself a lot of trouble these days!
I first want to say that I am indeed a Charlotte booster. Now that my bias is out there I do agree with this statement based on facts. Charlotte is indeed an economic engine in the South. In the Southeast it is arguably the number 2 city (Houston is Deep South Gulf Coast, DFW is Southcentral, Miami is in a league of south of South and al eague on its own, these are not necessarily Southeastern). It's MSA population is 35th I believe, but its MSA GDP is 21st. I think those facts alone are astounding. Today, we just opened up our NASCAR HOF so our tourism and convention industry is starting to pick up.
If you base your tier on something else other than population and GDP it gets a little bit more hard to separate the tiers. Cultural facilities and all that jazz is in the eye of the beholder.
Yep, today was the grand opening of the NASCAR HOF. I heard it on the radio listening to Frank and Buck. Charlotte is coming up.
Yep, today was the grand opening of the NASCAR HOF. I heard it on the radio listening to Frank and Buck. Charlotte is coming up.
Yeah, I hear it was nice. There is also an article in the Charlotte forum that discusses how Charlotte has the highest percentage of people moving in versus people moving out. We definitely coming up. We gonna take over Dallas, Houston, and Atlanta one day. LOL! (and then sets in reality.)
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