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What is dangerous is when outsider liberals take control of southern school systems, then use these to perpepuate liberal lies, incluidng about history, to the next generation hence even the children of native Southerners and native small town folks can become more liberal.
I do question that Atlanta is a gayer city than San Francisco. They admit the study was not scientific. California is the gayest state to me and San Francisco is the gayest city with over 15% of its population being gay.
Well that's why I said in my second post that I should have not said all. But I still stand by my point that the majority of the states in the nation are conservative including every state in the South.
But you believe that if the Chicago area (cook, dupage, kane) was somehow in a different state, Illinois would still become blue? I'll take your word for it.
Like this too here in Maryland. If the DC suburbs, which are full of transplants and illegal immigrants, was not in the state, Maryland would easily be a red state. Outside the DC area, Baltimore City is the only solidly blue jurisdiction. Baltimore County leans conservative, Howard is probably a swing county, and all else is hardcore Republican like the Eastern Shore, Western Maryland, and Southern Maryland.
Like this too here in Maryland. If the DC suburbs, which are full of transplants and illegal immigrants, was not in the state, Maryland would easily be a red state. Outside the DC area, Baltimore City is the only solidly blue jurisdiction. Baltimore County leans conservative, Howard is probably a swing county, and all else is hardcore Republican like the Eastern Shore, Western Maryland, and Southern Maryland.
Baltimore county leans mostly liberal i would think.
I would say Florida, since proportionally there are a lot more transplants and outsiders in Florida than in Virginia. Northern Virginia is very populous but still has only 30% of the population, and of these only SOME are Northeast transplants. Plus some are immigrants and while Hispanics tend to vote liberal due to illegal immigration, many Asian Americans, especially those who are Christian, vote Republican. The rest of Virginia has relatively few transplants and basically is the real South.
Florida is overrun with transplants from northern states in ALL of its major cities....Miami, Orlando, Palm Beach, Tampa and even Jacksonville now I've heard. Many of these, especially those from areas like New York and Chicago, are liberals. Especially the retirees since older people tend to vote the most and many are retired folks from the Northeast who vote for Democrats. Also culturally Florida has a more permissive culture especially around the beach cities obviously. Virginia outside of NOVA is very conservative. North Carolina is also seeing more and more transplants that are making some areas more liberal as native SOutherners are overrun but that is still a small portion of the state and most of NC is still natives, thank God for that. Same with Georgia. Outside of Atlanta, even in many Atlanta suburbs, most people are conservative.
Living in both NC and FL, I can tell you that, as a state, Florida is more conservative than North Carolina. There are some parts of Florida that are quite liberal but a very large part of the state is VERY conservative.
As for South Florida, its transplants aren't just Northeasterners. For that matter, a huge number aren't even US citizens. And, as a whole, the Cubans that control Miami politics are far from liberal.
Likewise, in NC, there are parts that are much more conservative than others. But, unlike Florida, NC doesn't have a large right-leaning metro area like Jacksonville. In the end, one only has to look at the state government in place and the laws on the books to see that Florida is not very liberal at all.
What is dangerous is when outsider liberals take control of southern school systems, then use these to perpepuate liberal lies, incluidng about history, to the next generation hence even the children of native Southerners and native small town folks can become more liberal.
Ironically, CONSERVATIVE outsiders (mostly Northerners) have taken control of Raleigh's/Wake County school system much to the dismay of the more progressive Southerners that had run it previously. Things aren't always what one might presume. Contrary to what some might think, liberals and conservatives are not only associated with certain parts of the country. There are liberals in the South and there are conservatives in San Francisco.
What is dangerous is when outsider liberals take control of southern school systems, then use these to perpepuate liberal lies, incluidng about history, to the next generation hence even the children of native Southerners and native small town folks can become more liberal.
I understand we all have our own opinions, but this part sounds very.... almost on the verge of wrong to me. What is the problem with becoming more liberal on certain topics? I'm not saying that being a left wing liberal is right or wrong, nor is being a right wing conservative(both have their downfalls).... Why can't people make their own decisions about what they choose to be right or wrong, instead of using their backgrounds as the only substantial justification of their beliefs? Im not attacking you, I just don't understand why I can't be a native southerner, and at the same time have more liberal(sometimes much more liberal) beliefs than my parents.
If West Virginia can be counted as Southern then its quite liberal compared to the rest of the region. West Virginia also seems to have a rather big Democratic tradition for such a rural state.
I understand we all have our own opinions, but this part sounds very.... almost on the verge of wrong to me. What is the problem with becoming more liberal on certain topics? I'm not saying that being a left wing liberal is right or wrong, nor is being a right wing conservative(both have their downfalls).... Why can't people make their own decisions about what they choose to be right or wrong, instead of using their backgrounds as the only substantial justification of their beliefs? Im not attacking you, I just don't understand why I can't be a native southerner, and at the same time have more liberal(sometimes much more liberal) beliefs than my parents.
I'm not sure I agree with him exactly, but I think he was stating discomfort with liberalism that comes from transplants and is dishonest or ineffective. The South traditionally had a strong disdain of outsiders changing them and, at least in principle, may have wanted change only if it was their choice. Some of this has a very bad history of course. (Like deeming Jews, even those born in the South, as crypto-Yankee agents of NYC bent on ending the purity of the white race) Still some of it is in a way understandable. Northerners have, in their own way, resented Southern/Southern-centered Presidents who dismiss their cultural values. And Californians did have some resentment/hostility to the wave of "Okies" and their effect on parts of California.
The kind of liberalism/progressivism that has disdain for: the Military, the Christian Bible, fried foods, and a Southern accent I think could cause an understandable annoyance among Southerners. Not that these things are defining of Southerners or that liberals could not partake of them. (There certainly could be an Episcopalian soldier out there who loves socialism, fried chicken, and his boyfriend. If so he would fit the "Southern" things I named. Likewise a thoroughly Southern person could be a vegetarian, pacifist, and atheist.) Still I think there is a sense that much of the liberal/progressive perspective is about denigrating the South or anything linked to "Being Southern" and newcomers encouraging a region to hate itself, if that's even happening, might cause irritation.
What is dangerous is when outsider liberals take control of southern school systems, then use these to perpepuate liberal lies, incluidng about history, to the next generation hence even the children of native Southerners and native small town folks can become more liberal.
Congratulations. You've proven how ignorant you are.
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