Is Cleveland Midwest or East (Euclid, Oregon: neighborhoods, vs, moving)

[goat314]

Originally Posted by kazoopilot

Great post. Here's my thoughts (in bold):

St. Louis, Cincinnati, Springfield, Illinois, Columbus and Dayton, Ohio are far from being Dixie. Have you ever been to the real South? These cities have much more in common with other Midwestern cities.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by goat314

I think living way up in Minnesota gives you a more skewed view of what the Midwest is. One post you said Cincinnati and St. Louis are Southeastern cities and Chicago was the lower Midwest.

I agree with goat. I've lived in the NE (grew up in Pittsburgh, have lived in several other cities there); there's no way that Ohio and MI are NE.

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by Katiana

Buffalo is in New York, that most eastern of eastern states.

Actually Maine is the eastern most state.

That aside. Kazoopilot, there is no way in all the layers of hell that Springfield Illinois, Dayton, Columbus or Cincinnati Ohio are part of Dixie. St. Louis is debatable as with Missouri south of it.

Dixie truly begins with Kentucky, lower West Virginia and Virginia. Not Ohio or Illinois or Indiana or Kansas.

THAT aside. The Detroit area around Michigan is very similar to the north-east. I have family there and have been to it many times. Feels like western NY (sans the Alleghenies). But it's just that area, the rest of Michigan strikes me as Mid-western.

Cleveland and north-east Ohio do not feel Mid-western at all to me. And south-east Ohio is very northern-central Appalachian rather than Midwest.

[Katarina Witt]

I meant culturally, NY is the quintessential eastern state.

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by Katiana

I meant culturally, NY is the quintessential eastern state.

Not really. The downstate NYC area is but the rest of the state is northern-Appalachian and similar to the Mid-west. I think if you want a more complete eastern feel look to New Jersey or Delaware. States with a lot of coastal areas.

[michigan83]

Cleveland is Eastern Midwest. Or is it Western Mideast?

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by CookieSkoon

Not really. The downstate NYC area is but the rest of the state is northern-Appalachian and similar to the Mid-west. I think if you want a more complete eastern feel look to New Jersey or Delaware. States with a lot of coastal areas.

I don't want to be *too* argumentative here, but I've lived in Upstate NY, Albany and Ithaca; I've also lived in Appalachia (Beaver County, PA) AND the midwest (Champaign, IL). New York is New York, and it's eastern. My ex is from Rochester, NY, so I've spent some time there, too. The little towns around upstate NY do not look like the Pennsylvania steel towns nor the midwest farm towns.

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by Katiana

I don't want to be *too* argumentative here, but I've lived in Upstate NY, Albany and Ithaca; I've also lived in Appalachia (Beaver County, PA) AND the midwest (Champaign, IL). New York is New York, and it's eastern. My ex is from Rochester, NY, so I've spent some time there, too. The little towns around upstate NY do not look like the Pennsylvania steel towns nor the midwest farm towns.

You do know that Pennsylvania isn't all of the Appalachians right? Neither is it the entirety of the ARC sub region.

I grew up in Appalachian New York. The Alleghenies specifically. I've spent a lot of time in Pennsylvania as well (honestly I saw no difference outside of the coal-rust belt region).

Between NY and PA there is little difference. They are both Appalachian.

Now when people say eastern they usually mean urban. New York is largely rural (I still curse NYC for it's unfair shadow over the real NY state). What is your definition of eastern?

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by CookieSkoon

You do know that Pennsylvania isn't all of the Appalachians right? Neither is it the entirety of the ARC sub region.

I grew up in Appalachian New York. The Alleghenies specifically. I've spent a lot of time in Pennsylvania as well (honestly I saw no difference outside of the coal-rust belt region).

Between NY and PA there is little difference. They are both Appalachian.

Now when people say eastern they usually mean urban. New York is largely rural (I still curse NYC for it's unfair shadow over the real NY state). What is your definition of eastern?

You do know that Beaver County is in western Pennsylvania, shares a border with Ohio, and Allegheny County, which is the county in which Pittsburgh is located? You know that Pittsburgh is considered Appalachia?

My definition of eastern is the definition you can see on a map, plus the cultural thing. Most places in upstate NY are not very far from a large city. Albany is fairly large in and of itself. It's not isolated, the way cities in say, Wyoming, are.

My daughter just came back from a wedding in Gilette, WY. She said Gilette has 30,000 people, and it's 6 hrs from Denver, the nearest large city. That's rural.

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by Katiana

You do know that Beaver County is in western Pennsylvania, shares a border with Ohio, and Allegheny County, which is the county in which Pittsburgh is located? You know that Pittsburgh is considered Appalachia?

My definition of eastern is the definition you can see on a map, plus the cultural thing. Most places in upstate NY are not very far from a large city. Albany is fairly large in and of itself. It's not isolated, the way cities in say, Wyoming, are.

My daughter just came back from a wedding in Gilette, WY. She said Gilette has 30,000 people, and it's 6 hrs from Denver, the nearest large city. That's rural.

I think you misread my questions to you. I know full well where Pittsburgh is.

Are you trying to say that New York is not rural? Hell, are you trying to say that a town of 30,000 is rural?

If no place in New York is far from a city then how come I couldn't get anywhere when I was a kid? We were far from everything save for small towns.

New York has plenty of farms, trailer parks, country homes, small towns, large forested wilderness and hills and mountains. Where I come from we listen to bluegrass and country music and nobody is wealthy, but we're all thankful. We lived on a dirt road in the hills! We didn't even have a toilet or bath tub and our water came from an old style well. Is that not rural?

Have you ever been off the beaten path? Because it sounds like Ithaca, Albany and the Ontario low-lands are all you know. Try going to the Adirondacks. Heck any of the southern tier counties save for Tompkins (that's where Ithaca is) would change your tune.

There are many places up there that are far from a large city. Just because it might not be as no-where as way out west doesn't make it urban. Hell by that logic Pennsylvania, Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia and eastern Tennessee are all urban!

Don't make assumptions about NY state just based off of the urban areas. Try going down some dirt roads in the Alleghenies for a while.