Is Cleveland Midwest or East (Akron, Lakewood: new home, neighborhood, university)

[CookieSkoon]

(edit: Where did the post I am replying to go?)

Watertown is on the low lands. Of course it's near the other cities.

My point is that New York is not all urban. It's largely rural. The lowland and valley corridors are but a small part of the state.

You can't base everything off of Wyoming. Especially since Wyoming is the MOST rural state in the nation.

But if there exists a town of 19,000 people, the town can be called urban. There's a difference between rural and isolated cities.

Las Vegas is surrounded by a lot of nothing, but it ain't rural by a long shot.

Please don't assume that NY state is all cities and urban culture. That's my point.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by kazoopilot

I'm from Michigan, and I always used to think of myself as a Midwesterner, and considered Michigan and Northern Ohio to be in the Midwest. After moving to the Great Plains area of Minnesota and experiencing the true Midwest, I've realized just how Northeastern Michigan (and Ohio) are. Those states are in the Eastern time zone, have high population densities, lean left politically. Out here, everything is centered around the two "Fs": farming and family. Everything is much slower paced out here, and even the Twin Cities metro doesn't run at the frenetic pace of Detroit, Cleveland or Chicago.

LOL. I'm from Cleveland, and I'm hard put to describe the city's pace as "frenetic".

[585WNY]

I'm of the unpopular opinion that Cleveland is the one city located within a Midwestern state that belongs to the Northeast.

Downtown Cleveland actually reminds me a great deal of a larger Downtown Buffalo. The layout of parts of Euclid Ave and Superior Ave look nearly identical to Main Street in Buffalo minus the light rail line. The area immediately surrounding Public Square remind me of Market Square in Pittsburgh with elements of Buffalo's Lafayette Square. The housing stock of Cleveland's neighborhoods are closer to those found in Buffalo and Rochester than most Midwestern cities. The only city in the Midwest I'd put Cleveland alongside is Detroit, but they're not nearly as comparable.

[btownboss4]

Originally Posted by 585WNY

I'm of the unpopular opinion that Cleveland is the one city located within a Midwestern state that belongs to the Northeast.

Downtown Cleveland actually reminds me a great deal of a larger Downtown Buffalo. The layout of parts of Euclid Ave and Superior Ave look nearly identical to Main Street in Buffalo minus the light rail line. The area immediately surrounding Public Square remind me of Market Square in Pittsburgh with elements of Buffalo's Lafayette Square. The housing stock of Cleveland's neighborhoods are closer to those found in Buffalo and Rochester than most Midwestern cities. The only city in the Midwest I'd put Cleveland alongside is Detroit, but they're not nearly as comparable.

Buffalo doesn't really belong in the Northeast though. It's built form is rather Midwestern, it's accent, even its history. The Appalachians were historically the biggest barrier in American history, other than Pittsburgh basically every settlement to the west is 150 years newer than those to the east. Albany to Buffalo is just about 280 miles but the difference is 1801 vs 1614. Meanwhile between Buffalo and Portland Oregon is 44 years. This fact leads to many similarities of cities that are Transappalachain.

[NOLA101]

Originally Posted by CookieSkoon

Please don't assume that NY state is all cities and urban culture. That's my point.

But it mostly is. 70% of NYS population and 80% of NYS economy is NYC and environs.

[Pincho-toot]

Yes it's in the "East" but not "Northeast." I consider Ohio eastern just as I consider Kansas "western" but both are in the Midwest.

[Gaylord_Focker]

Mideast.

[murksiderock]

Cleveland and Buffalo are the two most similar cities to each other, and Rochester, obviously shares a strong likeness with both as well...

But......Buffalo is Northeastern, Cleveland is Midwestern. The "Midwestern-ness" people refer to about Buff and Roc is really Great Lakes culture, as when you start comparing those cities to Midwest cities not on a Great Lake, Buff and Roc look starkly different. They aren't Midwestern--they're Great Lakes cities, so they share that Great Lakes thing to a large degree. They are both very much New York, though...

Cleveland, I'll agree, is the most Northeast seeming Midwest city, but it is Midwestern. Especially once you start comparing the suburbs of Cleveland and Buffalo, Cleveland's suburbs are distinctly Midwestern...Cleveland is Midwestern with a Northeast flavor...

[Jay F]

Originally Posted by murksiderock

Cleveland and Buffalo are the two most similar cities to each other, and Rochester, obviously shares a strong likeness with both as well...

But......Buffalo is Northeastern, Cleveland is Midwestern. The "Midwestern-ness" people refer to about Buff and Roc is really Great Lakes culture, as when you start comparing those cities to Midwest cities not on a Great Lake, Buff and Roc look starkly different. They aren't Midwestern--they're Great Lakes cities, so they share that Great Lakes thing to a large degree. They are both very much New York, though...

Cleveland, I'll agree, is the most Northeast seeming Midwest city, but it is Midwestern. Especially once you start comparing the suburbs of Cleveland and Buffalo, Cleveland's suburbs are distinctly Midwestern...Cleveland is Midwestern with a Northeast flavor...

I agree about Buffalo and the Great Lakes thing. I was born in Milwaukee and every person I have met from Buffalo (I met a lot when I lived in Vegas) reminded me SO much of the people I knew from Milwaukee. Some were almost interchangeable.

[LINative]

Originally Posted by NOLA101

But it mostly is. 70% of NYS population and 80% of NYS economy is NYC and environs.

I think Cookie was talking about land wise.