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Old 09-16-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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Im not expecting a suburban paraise in Westaprk or Lakewood. Serious crimes seem to be rare in both areas which is a good thing.

I peronally liked the strip on Lorain Ave and didn't see anything there that would make me feel unsafe. Although I admit I'm far from an expert on WP. Driving on the side streets on both sides of Lorain gave me nothng but a good impression of the area.
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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My comments are not meant to be put-downs of WP; trust me, it is out of concern. This was the most segregated neighborhood in Cleveland...probably still is, but that is changing.
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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Im not expecting a suburban paraise in Westaprk or Lakewood. Serious crimes seem to be rare in both areas which is a good thing.

I peronally liked the strip on Lorain Ave and didn't see anything there that would make me feel unsafe. Although I admit I'm far from an expert on WP. Driving on the side streets on both sides of Lorain gave me nothng but a good impression of the area.
West Park is a nice area. I personally like the streets north of Lorain; I mean Rocky River Drive at Marquis is not Rocky River Drive at Puritas.
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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I read your post. Don't be like that. I am not offended... yet. No need to act like that.

I was referring to your "urban Clevelanders" casing the joint. Casing the joint to rob it, right? Wasn't that the implication? Isn't that why you "case" something?
That's what I assumed.

I certainly don't consider myself a "Kamms Newbie". I may have just moved there 6 years ago but I have been hanging out there for a very long time. I have at least a dozen close friends that live in the area and have for YEARS... two of them for more then 20 years.

And what does your name have to do with anything? I can create a name like "Nuclear Physicist"... doesn't really mean anything....

It's all good man. I'll buy you a beer at Smedleys any night of the week and we can seriously discuss this... or Red Lanetern, Or WPS, or Backstage or or or....
If your screen name was Nuclear Physicist and a thread about nuclear physicists came up, I would think you might have some credibility about the topic...Kamms screen name since early 2010, not last week. Yes one ''cases'' a place for a robbery; not a good sign that's all...never heard of a robbery in a bar in Kamms but that was not something cool to see.
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:05 AM
 
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Well dare I again get into this mess , but I will . First one should always read all posts by a Poster before going back and forth on a issue , It seems to me when a poster is so high strung on picking apart an area , you will find a pattern of discontent , though-out thier postings in Cle forums or other posts mentioning Cleveland and KAMMS is no exception IMO.
While some important issues should not be over looked , Is that the out come anyone here is really trying to achieve?
Listen , I have lived a lot of Cleveland's recent history from the mid seventies ,
seeing my old buckeye woodland hood ,go down ,( Shaker Square) to seeing University Circle NOT BEING AN OK PLACE , Little Italy ,being almost gone, to what it is today .
That said , those eastside areas , are going strong .
Get involved with your city neighborhood , If you can't because your not a resident . DARE I SAY
BECOME ONE , If you really care
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Old 09-17-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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Well dare I again get into this mess , but I will . First one should always read all posts by a Poster before going back and forth on a issue , It seems to me when a poster is so high strung on picking apart an area , you will find a pattern of discontent , though-out thier postings in Cle forums or other posts mentioning Cleveland and KAMMS is no exception IMO.
While some important issues should not be over looked , Is that the out come anyone here is really trying to achieve?
Listen , I have lived a lot of Cleveland's recent history from the mid seventies ,
seeing my old buckeye woodland hood ,go down ,( Shaker Square) to seeing University Circle NOT BEING AN OK PLACE , Little Italy ,being almost gone, to what it is today .
That said , those eastside areas , are going strong .
Get involved with your city neighborhood , If you can't because your not a resident . DARE I SAY
BECOME ONE , If you really care
Fix the mess that is the Cleveland Public Schools and you'll get lots of involvement in city neighborhoods by middle class families of all races, creeds etc...just like it used to be in Cleveland pre-1979.
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Old 09-17-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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1979 being the year of Cleveland's final coffin nail when forced busing went into effect...32 years ago!
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Old 09-17-2011, 01:35 PM
 
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1979 being the year of Cleveland's final coffin nail when forced busing went into effect...32 years ago!
This is very true.

For better or worse, Cleveland has always been a city with different ethnic and racial enclaves. At some point in the twentieth century, public leaders decided this was racist, and made it a point to reverse this trend by "integrating" public schools. Surely, this would end racism, and in the process "diversify" the public school systems.

The opposite happened. The remaining ethnic groups left in droves and these policies that were meant to help disadvantaged minorities only worked against them. Now the entire public school system has an incredibly small tax base, and most families with enough money(regardless of race) moved out of the city decades ago.

Until Clevelanders (and Americans as a whole) realize that government intervention hurts society more than it helps, we will be stuck with dying cities and prosperous suburbs.

Neighborhoods and districts like Ohio City, Tremont, Warehouse district, east 4th, University Circle, etc will continue to attract young professionals, but it still doesn't change the fact that most Clevelanders with children will move to the suburbs because of the school issue.

No government policy can fix this--only a respect and care for your neighborhood will bring people back.
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Old 09-17-2011, 01:43 PM
 
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This is very true.

For better or worse, Cleveland has always been a city with different ethnic and racial enclaves. At some point in the twentieth century, public leaders decided this was racist, and made it a point to reverse this trend by "integrating" public schools. Surely, this would end racism, and in the process "diversify" the public school systems.

The opposite happened. The remaining ethnic groups left in droves and these policies that were meant to help disadvantaged minorities only worked against them. Now the entire public school system has an incredibly small tax base, and most families with enough money(regardless of race) moved out of the city decades ago.

Until Clevelanders (and Americans as a whole) realize that government intervention hurts society more than it helps, we will be stuck with dying cities and prosperous suburbs.

Neighborhoods and districts like Ohio City, Tremont, Warehouse district, east 4th, University Circle, etc will continue to attract young professionals, but it still doesn't change the fact that most Clevelanders with children will move to the suburbs because of the school issue.

No government policy can fix this--only a respect and care for your neighborhood will bring people back.
Condescending liberal whites had much to do with ''integrating'' Cleveland; of course, they didn't live in the city nor did their kids go to CPSs...just made them feel good about themselves by helping city negroes. Lots of class-religion and racial issues in Cleveland of the 1960s-1970s.
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Old 09-17-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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This is very true.

For better or worse, Cleveland has always been a city with different ethnic and racial enclaves. At some point in the twentieth century, public leaders decided this was racist, and made it a point to reverse this trend by "integrating" public schools. Surely, this would end racism, and in the process "diversify" the public school systems.

The opposite happened. The remaining ethnic groups left in droves and these policies that were meant to help disadvantaged minorities only worked against them. Now the entire public school system has an incredibly small tax base, and most families with enough money(regardless of race) moved out of the city decades ago.

Until Clevelanders (and Americans as a whole) realize that government intervention hurts society more than it helps, we will be stuck with dying cities and prosperous suburbs.

Neighborhoods and districts like Ohio City, Tremont, Warehouse district, east 4th, University Circle, etc will continue to attract young professionals, but it still doesn't change the fact that most Clevelanders with children will move to the suburbs because of the school issue.

No government policy can fix this--only a respect and care for your neighborhood will bring people back.
Another thing about Cleveland was every ethnic enclave disliked the other ethnic enclaves...very clannish...and of course everyone disliked the black enclaves...and the black enclaves disliked all the white enclaves and the puerto rican ohio city area etc. etc. And when these areas started breaking apart, with Cleveland's small city-limits size area, one would be in a suburb quickly...a neighborhood jump further east or west and you oftens times out of the city...but the school fiasco of the 60s-70s was the final push for everyone to head over the city limits anyway.
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