Plain Dealer: Cleveland Area leads state in ethnic diversity (Columbus: housing, land)

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Traveler87

Columbus is probaly a huge rival with all the companies, universities, tech companies, etc being located there. I know Columbus has a huge asian and hispanic population. Although Cleveland probaly has a larger hispanic population. Isn't Lorain almost like 40% hispanic?

Cleveland is 10% Hispanic compared to 5.6% in Columbus. The make-up of the Hispanic communities in these 2 cities/metros is very different though. Clevelands Hispanic community is majority Puerto Rican that has been here for over 5 decades, originally to work in the steel mills in the city/metro (mainly near-west Cleveland, and Lorain). Columbus Hispanic community on the other hand is majority Mexican and very new to the area, there were very few Hispanics in Columbus city/metro prior to 2000.

Columbus Hispanic population is growing faster in % and #, mainly due to the fact it's attracting more Mexicans than Cleveland. Cleveland as a city and metro is also gaining Mexicans and Hispanics just not at the same rate. The central county % is about the same now - 4.8% for both, Cleveland is ahead as a metro - 4.7% vs 3.6%. Both are still very small when you compare that to most Southwest/Westcoast metros and even NE metros.

Originally Posted by ksu sucks

Don't bother.


Yes, Lorain is the other Cleveland area with a large Hispanic population. I prefer Painesville, though.

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

I knew about the Puerto Rican community. Now I know about where there is a growing Mexican population

I just looked up both Lorain and Painesville. 21% and 13% respectively for 2010. Certainly large enough to be significant.

Those are actually 2000 numbers, Lorain is now 25.5% Hispanic and Painesville is 22% Hispanic. Lorains' Hispanic community is majority Puerto Rican though while Painesvilles' is Mexican.

Painesville has had a very impressive Hispanic growth, it was only 2.5% Hispanic in 1990, grew to 13% in 2000, now 22%. Here's an article about it: Painesville's Hispanic community doubles in 10 years, multiplies 11 times since 1990 | cleveland.com
Lorain was 17% Hispanic in 1990 and 21% in 2000, now 25.5%.

Also check out these census maps:
Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com (down to census tract)
Interactive map: 30 years of census data - The Washington Post (down to block group since 1990)

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Cleveland does have the larger Hispanic population in %, but not in total numbers. It's 5.6% vs 9.9%. Given the difference in growth rates, this will probably end up reversing at some point in the future.

Why? Is Columbus planning on consuming yet another county sometime in the near future?

Btw, this should come as a surprise to nobody. Cleveland is and always has been (well, at least since 1900) the most cosmopolitan and diverse of the 3 Cs.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Why? Is Columbus planning on consuming yet another county sometime in the near future?

Btw, this should come as a surprise to nobody. Cleveland is and always has been (well, at least since 1900) the most cosmopolitan and diverse of the 3 Cs.

Hispanic/Latino Population
Cleveland
2000: 34,728 or 7.4%
2010: 39,534 or 10%
Change 2000 to 2010
+4,806
+13.8%

Columbus
2000: 17,502 or 2.46%
2010: 44,074 or 5.6%
Change 2000 to 2010
+26,572
+151.8%

Assuming these rates stay the same through 2020 (unlikely, but for exercise)...

2020
Cleveland: 44,990
Columbus: 110,978

What could save Cleveland here as far as % of population is if the city's population continues to drop. Even a steady or modest Hispanic growth combined with overall losses would keep the % high. Let's say that the city growth/decline rates stayed the same through 2020.

2020 Population and Hispanic % of population
Cleveland: 328,960 or 13.7%
Columbus: 870,458 or 12.7%

Even with the different rates, Columbus would still pass Cleveland not long after 2020 in this scenario. So it just depends on what happens. There are tons of scenarios that could play out, but on the *present* course, Columbus *will* pass Cleveland in % of population. And no, not from annexation. Since the suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly non-Hispanic white, annexing them would serve to lower % of population, not raise it. Besides, as I've said about 100x times now, Columbus' rate of annexation is the lowest in decades. Since the surrounding burbs are growing so fast, the amount of annexable land is shrinking as well, along with changing urban-oriented focus and development.

[jbcmh81]

BTW, why is the Plain Dealer just now reporting this? These numbers have been out for months.

[Townes Van Zandt]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

BTW, why is the Plain Dealer just now reporting this? These numbers have been out for months.

Because, as others have mentioned, this isn't really news. Everyone in the state knows that Cleveland has historically been an ethnic melting pot.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by ksu sucks

Because, as others have mentioned, this isn't really news. Everyone in the state knows that Cleveland has historically been an ethnic melting pot.

Cleveland's ethnically-diverse Eastern-European heritage, combined with the city's historic footprint in oil and energy, may be of great advantage in forming business links with Russia, as that country continues to emerge as an energy giant. Like it or not, Russia is a "sleeping dragon" of its own when it comes to its reserves of oil and natural gas, and its ability to harness technology to its advantage. If Cleveland is listening and Russia is talking, the cultural and business links between these two powerhouses may become very lucrative ones.

[costello_musicman]

Originally Posted by motorman

Cleveland's ethnically-diverse Eastern-European heritage, combined with the city's historic footprint in oil and energy, may be of great advantage in forming business links with Russia, as that country continues to emerge as an energy giant. Like it or not, Russia is a "sleeping dragon" of its own when it comes to its reserves of oil and natural gas, and its ability to harness technology to its advantage. If Cleveland is listening and Russia is talking, the cultural and business links between these two powerhouses may become very lucrative ones.

Also old Jewish links. Cleveland metro has BY FAR the highest Jewish population in the state.

In the past decade, many Israeli tech and bio-tech companies have made NEO/Cleveland their North America HQ.
1) http://theclevelandgroup.com/articles/insidebus.pdf
2) http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz...117_584843.htm

Russian unfortunately is lower on the ethnic populace list. Cleveland's eastern connection's tie stronger to:

Hungary (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011...esident_s.html)
Ukraine (http://www.umacleveland.org/, http://blog.cleveland.com/parmasunpo...tival_set.html)
Croatia (http://ech.cwru.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=C13, http://www.clevelandpeople.com/group...n/croatian.htm)
Slovakia (http://www.slovakinstitute.com/)
Slovenia (http://www.cleveland.com/heritage/in...a/sloven1.html)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by motorman

Cleveland's ethnically-diverse Eastern-European heritage, combined with the city's historic footprint in oil and energy, may be of great advantage in forming business links with Russia, as that country continues to emerge as an energy giant. Like it or not, Russia is a "sleeping dragon" of its own when it comes to its reserves of oil and natural gas, and its ability to harness technology to its advantage. If Cleveland is listening and Russia is talking, the cultural and business links between these two powerhouses may become very lucrative ones.

I'm not sure it's a good idea for Cleveland to basically revisit history and do the same thing that it did 100 years ago.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I'm not sure it's a good idea for Cleveland to basically revisit history and do the same thing that it did 100 years ago.

Nobody expects the powerful Cleveland business community (coupled with its outstanding universities) to recreate the past as it forms new business and cultural links not only with Russia, but with its former Eastern European satellites. Needless to say, Vladimir Putin's new "energy-machine" will do business with the highest bidders, whether they be China, India, Europe, or America. The fate of the former Eastern Block countries (at least those not already absorbed into the EU & NATO) is uncertain and their importance on the world stage is unpredictable--but Cleveland's ethnic, cultural, and linguistic ties to this entire region are well-known. So if energy, technology, medical expertise, etc., are going to be bartered from/to Euro-Asia in the 21st-century, Cleveland, as well as Houston, might as well be a player. And if Houston champions its port on the Gulf, Cleveland can brag about its port on the Great Lakes--and the far-north, global-warming meltdown that will free up major Arctic shipping routes entering the St. Lawrence. My bet is that the emerging new Cleveland will partake of global business opportunities that weren't even dreamed of 100 years ago.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Hispanic/Latino Population
Cleveland
2000: 34,728 or 7.4%
2010: 39,534 or 10%
Change 2000 to 2010
+4,806
+13.8%

Columbus
2000: 17,502 or 2.46%
2010: 44,074 or 5.6%
Change 2000 to 2010
+26,572
+151.8%

Assuming these rates stay the same through 2020 (unlikely, but for exercise)...

2020
Cleveland: 44,990
Columbus: 110,978

What could save Cleveland here as far as % of population is if the city's population continues to drop. Even a steady or modest Hispanic growth combined with overall losses would keep the % high. Let's say that the city growth/decline rates stayed the same through 2020.

2020 Population and Hispanic % of population
Cleveland: 328,960 or 13.7%
Columbus: 870,458 or 12.7%

Even with the different rates, Columbus would still pass Cleveland not long after 2020 in this scenario. So it just depends on what happens. There are tons of scenarios that could play out, but on the *present* course, Columbus *will* pass Cleveland in % of population. And no, not from annexation. Since the suburbs tend to be overwhelmingly non-Hispanic white, annexing them would serve to lower % of population, not raise it. Besides, as I've said about 100x times now, Columbus' rate of annexation is the lowest in decades. Since the surrounding burbs are growing so fast, the amount of annexable land is shrinking as well, along with changing urban-oriented focus and development.

2010 land area/population density:

Cleveland proper: 78 sq. miles / 5128 people/sq. mile
Columbus proper: 220 sq. miles / 3590 people/sq. mile

2020 land area (est.):

Cleveland proper: 78 sq. miles / 5572 people/sq. mile
Columbus proper: 350 sq. miles / 3157 people/sq. mile

Since the water trick has already been pulled, they'll hit 350 sq. miles by making everyone outside of Columbus proper pay $1-2 to drive through it. Growth by even MORE extortion!