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Old 12-19-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Northfield, MN
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Cleveland would be better served by trying to suck up Euclid and East Cleveland maybe the desolate part of Cleveland Heights it would benefit everyone instead of talking about this "Black Flight" if someone moved to Euclid it still would be Cleveland so we wouldn't have to worry about population loss and loss of tax money which can deteriorate a city. It's amazing to look at this role reverse from 1990-2000 every ethnic group's population increased in Cleveland except for white (which is why the population still dropped) so to quickly get those pop. levels back and to stop in county fighting over residents they need to combine and work together it only can do some good. Even East Cleveland's Mayor is on board with the idea
It's not surprising that the mayor of East Cleveland is on board with this idea, considering East Cleveland has the most to gain from this, and Cleveland has a lot to lose. Imagine inheriting a place like East Cleveland? That certainly wouldn't raise the value of a city at all.
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Unless East Cleveland is part of a package deal that includes all of the other inner-ring suburbs, I fail to see why Cleveland would want them.
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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But don't you think that, whatever area Cleveland annexed, people would just flee from that area, too?
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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I actually think that Cuyahoga County, with the creation of the regional commissioner set up a few years ago, has taken the first step towards Cleveland, in essence, incorporating the entire county, making a city of around 1.2M people... I didn't always agree with county govt, but at this point in time, I think it makes sense for the region.
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:52 PM
 
Location: OH
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I actually think that Cuyahoga County, with the creation of the regional commissioner set up a few years ago, has taken the first step towards Cleveland, in essence, incorporating the entire county, making a city of around 1.2M people... I didn't always agree with county govt, but at this point in time, I think it makes sense for the region.
I can't see that going smoothly. People in places like Rocky River or Beachwood would fight that tooth and nail.
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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I can't see that going smoothly. People in places like Rocky River or Beachwood would fight that tooth and nail.
Not to mention people in places like Westlake, Strongsville, or Solon.

Sorry... I don't see it happening. Not in my lifetime, at least.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Westlake, Strongsville, and Solon are currently fighting a losing battle with places like Avon, Medina, and Twinsburg. You would need to provide them with irrefutable evidence that this consolidation would help them in that battle, and I'm not sure that evidence is out there.

The schools, at least, will not be touched. Clevelanders don't put up with their schools being messed with, as we saw in the late 70s with busing.
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Old 12-22-2011, 05:36 PM
 
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I can't see that going smoothly. People in places like Rocky River or Beachwood would fight that tooth and nail.
Hell, the suburbs don't want the Red Line extensions. Berea balked as did North Olmsted for access to Great Northern. Strongsville doesn't want it. All the Cleveland riff-raff will come into these communities and commit crime. Other places such as Annapolis MD doesn't want Baltimore's city rail extension either.
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Old 12-22-2011, 06:18 PM
 
Location: OH
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Hell, the suburbs don't want the Red Line extensions. Berea balked as did North Olmsted for access to Great Northern. Strongsville doesn't want it. All the Cleveland riff-raff will come into these communities and commit crime. Other places such as Annapolis MD doesn't want Baltimore's city rail extension either.
This tends to go on in a lot of cities unfortunately. Cinci experienced this about a decade ago with the MetroMoves project and Atlanta is currently going through this with their attempts to expand MARTA.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Summit, NJ
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Hell, the suburbs don't want the Red Line extensions. Berea balked as did North Olmsted for access to Great Northern. Strongsville doesn't want it. All the Cleveland riff-raff will come into these communities and commit crime. Other places such as Annapolis MD doesn't want Baltimore's city rail extension either.
That sounds like bull. Many US cities (and all of Europe) have extensive rail networks, most of which service lots of poor neighborhoods. Can you name a single city that has suffered this problem?

Commuter rail is generally less frequent than the subway and has a higher fare, which would deter the poor from riding it "just for the hell of it." Though I think having a regular rapid line through western Lakewood makes sense.
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