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Old 01-14-2012, 06:26 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Clevelander17
Toronto is not a "mini-Chicago." Toronto more than holds its own as a major world city.

Peregrine
Agree. The only thing Chicago has over Toronto is Michigan Avenue.... oh and good pizza.
Other then that I would say Toronto trounces Chicago.

Not to slight Toronto's downtown shopping districts, but I've never seen anything like the Michigan Mile in a downtown area outside of New York City.

ZnGuy
Toronto has better 'dance clubs' than Chicago and Cuban cigars

Howest2008
I like Toronto better myself , it's cleaner " less dirt and grime" , but most people think that Chicago is better " pretty much like the LA Chicago comparison...some prefer Chicago over LA I Don't " but that everybody prerogative...
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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I totally agree with 'The Profs' aforementioned comments concerning Cleveland's dynamic urban districts and neighborhoods ...
You forgot to mention thee very trendy 'Kamms Corners' area of Cleveland ... very hip, popular and attractive!
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Old 01-15-2012, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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Agree. The only thing Chicago has over Toronto is Michigan Avenue.... oh and good pizza.
Other then that I would say Toronto trounces Chicago.

Not to slight Toronto's downtown shopping districts, but I've never seen anything like the Michigan Mile in a downtown area outside of New York City.
Chicago kicks Toronto's butt all over the place.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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I totally agree with 'The Profs' aforementioned comments concerning Cleveland's dynamic urban districts and neighborhoods ...
You forgot to mention thee very trendy 'Kamms Corners' area of Cleveland ... very hip, popular and attractive!
Yup, Kamms is strong, and getting even stronger.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:33 PM
 
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Chicago kicks Toronto's butt all over the place.
I thought the OP asked whehter Cleveland is becoming Chicago-ish. How did this become a Toronto vs. Chicago thread?
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Old 01-16-2012, 02:14 PM
 
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Yup, Kamms is strong, and getting even stronger.
Lorain & Rocky River Dr. intersection is seeing some positive development and Lorain Avenue, especially the north side, from RR Dr. to W 165th Street has the potential to create a vibrant commerical district.

These scattered commercial hubs throughout the city is one area that Cleveland needs to be much more Chicagoish about.

Now, if the population in West Park overall can stabilize or increase, things would be much better for Cleveland in general and West Park in particular.
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Maybe its just me, but I always felt like Chicago, Cleveland and Detroit were joined at the hips at one point - very similar cities, but different sizes, that is until de-industralization happened. Chicago fared better than the other two did and the difference is quite a bit more pronounced now than it was in say 1950.

The 3 cities btw have similar accents (see Northern Cities Vowel Shift), similar architecture (the large courtyard apartments are something all three cities have) and a similar industrial heritage, though Chicago became way more diversified, while the others are working hard to shake off the industrial side of things... just a thought or two.
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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I thought the OP asked whehter Cleveland is becoming Chicago-ish. How did this become a Toronto vs. Chicago thread?
Why are you asking me? I reacted to a slew of posts about Toronto and chimed in mostly sarcastically, because of your point.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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Lorain & Rocky River Dr. intersection is seeing some positive development and Lorain Avenue, especially the north side, from RR Dr. to W 165th Street has the potential to create a vibrant commerical district.

These scattered commercial hubs throughout the city is one area that Cleveland needs to be much more Chicagoish about.

Now, if the population in West Park overall can stabilize or increase, things would be much better for Cleveland in general and West Park in particular.
That's the trick, Kamms -- you're right, our hot areas are somewhat scattered. But there is some hope. For example, I see small signs of Ohio City morphing into Detroit Shoreway, esp as the 2 neighborhoods creep toward each other along main arteries like Lorain, Detroit and Bridge. Also, if we can get the Flats going again (the Aquarium and Flats East Bank development are steps in this direction) can connect downtown and Ohio City -- both of which are coming on strong, entertaiment/residential-wise... To the east we're seeing University Circle/Uptown, Little Italy and, up the hill, Coventry coming together... If we can get the RTA Circulator/shuttles going again, it would strengthen these bonds even more.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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... and I can't get Tremont, which is really hot (esp re growth new/high-density housing-wise)... Unfortunately, Tremont will probably always be geographically isolated... This isolation is part of the neighborhoods village-like charm... I guess, in a way, it is its curse, too.
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