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Old 02-06-2012, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Suburbs
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There are similarities, but Chicago strikes me as very Irish/Polish orientated as far as its European culture while Cleveland is more split amongst its sides.

...the Westside has alot more Poles and Irish, much like Chicago..

..While the eastside has a more Jewish, Italian vibe, more like NYC and the east

Its what makes Cleveland unique and nothing like Chicago.

We have that Midwest/East Coast combo that is divided at the Cuyahoga river.
Oh yes, I just created a thread about this topic. I truly think that downtown is the dividing point between east and west. I don't mean to copy what you are saying here, but I am seeing exactly what you are trying to say. NE Ohio is a good dividing point between NE and Midwest. The different groups of people make that blend pretty apparent.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:40 AM
 
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Cincinnati's building the streetcar.
Good luck with that... I wish them well, but this is Ohio ...
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, VA
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Good luck with that... I wish them well, but this is Ohio ...
They should have finished the development of the subway system they started back in the day ...
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:56 PM
 
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There are similarities, but Chicago strikes me as very Irish/Polish orientated as far as its European culture while Cleveland is more split amongst its sides.

...the Westside has alot more Poles and Irish, much like Chicago..

..While the eastside has a more Jewish, Italian vibe, more like NYC and the east

Its what makes Cleveland unique and nothing like Chicago.

We have that Midwest/East Coast combo that is divided at the Cuyahoga river.
I agree. Chicago is very entrenched in the Irish and Polish heritage. The roots of Chicago's corruption (but also its effectiveness in getting revitalization done) is found within the Irish heritage in that city.

Cleveland gets into that transition zone between midwest and east coast.

On top of the fact, that the ethnic makeup of the east side is a bit more east coast like in its ethnic makeup (IE: More Italian and Jewish), you also have the Western Reserve/Connecticut feel in the further out suburbs like Chagrin Falls.

I will say however, that I really think Cleveland Heights-University Heights looks and feels a lot like Oak Park-River Forest right outside Chicago.
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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^Good catch, Tex... I'd even go a step father: to me Lakewood, with it's lakeshore property, artsy/liberal mentality, large old homes (many wood-frame), numerous old apt buildings and exciting/dense walkable downtown (surrounded by a number of high-rises), is a dead-ringer for Evanston... with the differences being the absence of a Northwestern University-type college and Evanston's lack of a Gold Coast-type area (these, of course, are further south inside Chicago)... and, of course, Evanston's outstanding transit service (with both the Purple Line L and Metra commuter rail).... Lakewood could and should have such quality transit service (it's not horrible as it is, but could be better), ... if RTA could get it's act together...meanwhile Lakewood will have to settle with its 24-hour Detroit Road buses into the West Blvd Red Line station.
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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^Good catch, Tex... I'd even go a step father: to me Lakewood, with it's lakeshore property, artsy/liberal mentality, large old homes (many wood-frame), numerous old apt buildings and exciting/dense walkable downtown (surrounded by a number of high-rises), is a dead-ringer for Evanston... with the differences being the absence of a Northwestern University-type college and Evanston's lack of a Gold Coast-type area (these, of course, are further south inside Chicago)... and, of course, Evanston's outstanding transit service (with both the Purple Line L and Metra commuter rail).... Lakewood could and should have such quality transit service (it's not horrible as it is, but could be better), ... if RTA could get it's act together...meanwhile Lakewood will have to settle with its 24-hour Detroit Road buses into the West Blvd Red Line station.
I was going to do the Lakewood/Evanston comparison, but you beat me to it. I do think Lakewood is a lot like Evanston, only without the college. Also, although both suburbs are very diverse economically, I perceive Evanston as somewhat more affluent and upscale than Lakewood overall. Evanston has its residential highrises right in the downtown area as opposed to a "Gold Coast" along the lake like Lakewood does. And last but not least, one crucial difference between the two is that Evanston's lakefront is mostly public parkland, while Lakewood's is mostly private property (except for Lakewood Park, of course).
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:35 PM
 
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I was going to do the Lakewood/Evanston comparison, but you beat me to it. I do think Lakewood is a lot like Evanston, only without the college. Also, although both suburbs are very diverse economically, I perceive Evanston as somewhat more affluent and upscale than Lakewood overall. Evanston has its residential highrises right in the downtown area as opposed to a "Gold Coast" along the lake like Lakewood does. And last but not least, one crucial difference between the two is that Evanston's lakefront is mostly public parkland, while Lakewood's is mostly private property (except for Lakewood Park, of course).
Agreed. Evanston, as far as I know, has no working class/poor area like Birdtown or some of the surrounding areas in SE Lakewood; but if you take those out of Lakewood, the socio-economic levels of the 2 towns is pretty equal as far as I can see... Yes, downtown Evanston is considerablly more urban than Lakewood with a see of highrises. Much of that is due to the aforementioned transit station, which is served by Metra and the CTA L; tons of TOD around this area.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Agreed. Evanston, as far as I know, has no working class/poor area like Birdtown or some of the surrounding areas in SE Lakewood; but if you take those out of Lakewood, the socio-economic levels of the 2 towns is pretty equal as far as I can see... Yes, downtown Evanston is considerablly more urban than Lakewood with a see of highrises. Much of that is due to the aforementioned transit station, which is served by Metra and the CTA L; tons of TOD around this area.
Evanston actually has its own black "ghetto" areas that are worse than anywhere in Lakewood.

Overall I would say that Lakewood has a more blue collar vibe despite having a good deal of professionals, while Evanston is more polarized. The college factor is of course a big difference between the two. Lakewood also has a good sized bar scene while Evanston basically has no nightlife.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:50 PM
 
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Evanston actually has its own black "ghetto" areas that are worse than anywhere in Lakewood.

Overall I would say that Lakewood has a more blue collar vibe despite having a good deal of professionals, while Evanston is more polarized. The college factor is of course a big difference between the two. Lakewood also has a good sized bar scene while Evanston basically has no nightlife.
Really?? You don't think downtown Evanston has any nightlife?
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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Evanston actually has its own black "ghetto" areas that are worse than anywhere in Lakewood.
Yes, and Evanston has a considerably higher crime rate than Lakewood as well. I myself have compared stats for the two cities right here on City Data.

Good point about the difference in bar scenes, BTW. I would have brought that one up in my previous post, but it slipped my mind at the time.

Lakewood does come across as more "funky" and countercultural than Evanston. Evanston has been characterized as an "old ladies' town". I think Lakewood might've been somewhat more like that once upon a time, but is quite different today.
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