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Old 05-18-2013, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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I don't really know bout Detroit, but Cleveland, in general, has been doing much better for the last 5 years, especially the last 2-3. I think it's an exciting place to be now. Things changing quickly.
Yeah, Detroit's just on another level when it comes to problems. The bankruptcy issue is just amazing. Cleveland is not even close to that.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Yeah, Detroit's just on another level when it comes to problems. The bankruptcy issue is just amazing. Cleveland is not even close to that.
Too bad, I'm pulling for them! I just looked at a google maps satellite image of Detroit. For as bad as anyone thinks Cleveland is, at least we don't have praries of dead neighborhoods 1 mile from the center of the city.
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Old 05-19-2013, 07:06 PM
 
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I'm Cleveland born and raised and I've always been of the opinion that Cleveland,Detroit,and Chicago had a lot in common but were different sizes. If Cleveland and Detroit could restore what they lost over the last 50 years and start growing again;they would be poised to be mini Chicago's! As far as Cleveland and Detroit has fallen,I still love both cities.Hopefully,they can make a comeback someday.
We just returned from a weekend trip to Cleveland and I we were very impressed with the downtown area. As we like to visit casinos we went to check out the Horseshoe casino and were impressed with the area around it and the ball park/Quicken arena. The improvements and rejuvenation are apparent and my husband kept commenting on how clean the city was.

Detroit is light years behind Cleveland in regrowth and they will continue to be so until someone can rid the city of all the crooks and get the budgets in hand. The problems right now are quite dismal as the long timers on City Council all have their own personal interests and not what is best for the city and area.

We loved the free Trolley that took us down to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and the Tower Center was interesting with it's shopping/dining and transit.
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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I'm Cleveland born and raised and I've always been of the opinion that Cleveland,Detroit,and Chicago had a lot in common but were different sizes. If Cleveland and Detroit could restore what they lost over the last 50 years and start growing again;they would be poised to be mini Chicago's! As far as Cleveland and Detroit has fallen,I still love both cities.Hopefully,they can make a comeback someday.
Basically, Chicago was big enough to weather the storm which befell the other Great Lakes cities, though it did go through its share of financial problems in the 1970s and 80s if I remember correctly. The major cities in this area are similar in the same way as other regions' cities. Cleveland is a mini-Chicago in the same respect Philadelphia is a mini-NYC; the former will never reach the levels of the latter, but it offers its share, and can be just as enjoyable to visit or reside in for what it is.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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Here's an interesting piece from Chicago Magazine by Edward McClelland. It's actually an excerpt from his book Nothin' But Blue Skies. In it he explores why Chicago was able to successfully shed its Rust Belt image and go on to become a major global player, hobnobbing with the likes of Paris and Sydney and Shanghai, while at the same time, other Midwestern cities like Cleveland and Detroit were doomed to descend to global backwater status. McClelland maintains that it's all part of globalization: a relative few cities become winners, while most others become the losers.

Enjoy.

Why the Smartest People in the Midwest All Move To Chicago
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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We just returned from a weekend trip to Cleveland and I we were very impressed with the downtown area. As we like to visit casinos we went to check out the Horseshoe casino and were impressed with the area around it and the ball park/Quicken arena. The improvements and rejuvenation are apparent and my husband kept commenting on how clean the city was.

Detroit is light years behind Cleveland in regrowth and they will continue to be so until someone can rid the city of all the crooks and get the budgets in hand. The problems right now are quite dismal as the long timers on City Council all have their own personal interests and not what is best for the city and area.

We loved the free Trolley that took us down to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and the Tower Center was interesting with it's shopping/dining and transit.
We are you from?

I like Detroit and also root for it to turn itself around.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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We just returned from a weekend trip to Cleveland and I we were very impressed with the downtown area. As we like to visit casinos we went to check out the Horseshoe casino and were impressed with the area around it and the ball park/Quicken arena. The improvements and rejuvenation are apparent and my husband kept commenting on how clean the city was.

Detroit is light years behind Cleveland in regrowth and they will continue to be so until someone can rid the city of all the crooks and get the budgets in hand. The problems right now are quite dismal as the long timers on City Council all have their own personal interests and not what is best for the city and area.

We loved the free Trolley that took us down to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and the Tower Center was interesting with it's shopping/dining and transit.
Did you love our roads too? You know the ones with 100 potholes and often with a poor patch up job.
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Summit, NJ
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Here's an interesting piece from Chicago Magazine by Edward McClelland.

Why the Smartest People in the Midwest All Move To Chicago
"Why did it become an alpha world city, in the same league as Paris, Mumbai, Shanghai, Frankfurt, and Sydney..."

LOL. Is it a thing in Chicago these days to talk in Greek letters like this? In Boston nobody gives a flip what Greek letter we are or how big of a global player. We just care whether we can find high paying jobs and whether we'll find a satisfying quality of life.

Isn't Frankfurt more Cleveland-level anyway?

I also love how the author sings praises of the former mayor because he actively kept black families out of certain neighborhoods.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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"Why did it become an alpha world city, in the same league as Paris, Mumbai, Shanghai, Frankfurt, and Sydney..."

LOL. Is it a thing in Chicago these days to talk in Greek letters like this? In Boston nobody gives a flip what Greek letter we are or how big of a global player. We just care whether we can find high paying jobs and whether we'll find a satisfying quality of life.
"High paying jobs" are most plentiful in the so-called Alpha cities. There is a huge correlation.

Surely you realize that Chicago did not invent the Alpha city designation. That was the Globalization and World Cities ("GaWC") Research Network:

Globalization and World Cities Research Network

It's a ranking mostly of how much global economic influence cities have relative to each other -- what type of business is transacted in a particular city and with whom -- although things like access to the arts, culture, and public transportation are factored in, too. The "Alpha" cities are the crème de la crème of world cities.

The World According to GaWC 2010

Note that Boston is also ranked "Alpha", although it is much lower on the Alpha list than Chicago is.

Cleveland is very, very low Beta, and wasn't even ranked that highly by GaWC until the most recent 2010 rankings.

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Old 05-29-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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I also love how the author sings praises of the former mayor because he actively kept black families out of certain neighborhoods.
I particularly enjoyed the use of "Old Man Daley" LOL

What an odd article.
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