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Old 11-19-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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We do have a long way to go. I walked down Euclid yesterday on my way to the CSU game from the federal building. Looked for a place to eat, all I saw was abandoned buildings from E. 9th damn near to Playhouse Square. There are pockets of excitement here and there (E. 4th, Warehouse District, Tremont) but most of downtown is a ghost town at night. The new waterfront development and the casino and Flats revitalization will help somewhat, but until they eliminate the roving bands of homeless and undesirables, and fix the schools, families will never move downtown.
Euclid from E 9th to Playhouse Square is currently not in good shape. However, it will fill-in with diverse businesses, shops, retail, food, apartments and hotels. Actually, the ''problem'' area is more focused between E 9th to E 12th.
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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I keep hearing more and more about new offices here and new offices there, new apartments here and new apartments there... no trouble filling them either...

Who else feels Cleveland is going to be the Chicago of the early 21st century? Maybe not SUCH an explosive city, but it's getting there!

I'm proud, guys. Keep it up.
Another issue Cleveland needs to resolve is its city population decline; this is an issue Chicago does not have and edge on either as its population is in decline as well (this despite Chicago's much touted ''boom'').
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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Yes! Let's allow Cleveland to be Cleveland! This "Great Lakes City" is once again forging ahead on its own terms, and its success will be add tremendously to Ohio's success.
Keep Cleveland quirky and make it a jobs magnet for western PA and New York as well...and not so much Iowa, Wisconsin etc. states like Chicago is...but hey, population growth is population growth.
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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Another issue Cleveland needs to resolve is its city population decline; this is an issue Chicago does not have and edge on either as its population is in decline as well (this despite Chicago's much touted ''boom'').
Actually Chicago has been declining in population, and took a big nose dive this past census.

I don't want Cleveland to be like Chicago. From major corruption, to areas on the southside that make Detroit look nice, to a high COL.

Cleveland is going in the right path, and already has its own identity, it just needs to build off of that. I am about to post a new thread, and it is about who I believe to be the new director of MOCA (a transplant like myself) who speaks of Cleveland just how I and many others who are not natives to this area see the region. Great article too, so look into it.
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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Actually Chicago has been declining in population, and took a big nose dive this past census.

I don't want Cleveland to be like Chicago. From major corruption, to areas on the southside that make Detroit look nice, to a high COL.

Cleveland is going in the right path, and already has its own identity, it just needs to build off of that. I am about to post a new thread, and it is about who I believe to be the new director of MOCA (a transplant like myself) who speaks of Cleveland just how I and many others who are not natives to this area see the region. Great article too, so look into it.
or the west side of Chicago, makes the south side look like Beverly Hills...the roughest part of town...Bad Bad Leroy Brown should have been from the west side of Chicago...
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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Actually Chicago has been declining in population, and took a big nose dive this past census.

I don't want Cleveland to be like Chicago. From major corruption, to areas on the southside that make Detroit look nice, to a high COL.

Cleveland is going in the right path, and already has its own identity, it just needs to build off of that. I am about to post a new thread, and it is about who I believe to be the new director of MOCA (a transplant like myself) who speaks of Cleveland just how I and many others who are not natives to this area see the region. Great article too, so look into it.
Cleveland does have its own identity...that's why I don't want it to become ''like'' Chicago.
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:39 PM
 
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or the west side of Chicago, makes the south side look like Beverly Hills...the roughest part of town...Bad Bad Leroy Brown should have been from the west side of Chicago...
I've heard that too, but never explored too much of the westside. I look at Cleveland like St. Louis (which I just got back from for almost a week).

St. Louis has Detroit style abandonment on the northside of the city... I am talking full on urban praries like in Detroit. But the rest of St. Louis is pretty healthy, and development is starting to spring into the northside. Just like Cleveland's eastside, but Cleveland's eastside isn't as desolate. I think in Cleveland and St. Louis too many people focus on the bad section of town, and forget about the other parts of the city that are great to live, work, and enjoy.
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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I've heard that too, but never explored too much of the westside. I look at Cleveland like St. Louis (which I just got back from for almost a week).

St. Louis has Detroit style abandonment on the northside of the city... I am talking full on urban praries like in Detroit. But the rest of St. Louis is pretty healthy, and development is starting to spring into the northside. Just like Cleveland's eastside, but Cleveland's eastside isn't as desolate. I think in Cleveland and St. Louis too many people focus on the bad section of town, and forget about the other parts of the city that are great to live, work, and enjoy.
I know...like all these cities, including Chicago, don't have desolate areas...more than once on the Red Line in Cleveland coming to or from the airport I have encountered people from Chicago going on about how bad Cleveland looks...my response, looks alot like Chicago outside of the Loop and pointed out why the windows on the Metra trains or tinted...ride Chicago's Green Line south to Ashland or west to Oak Park...
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:15 PM
 
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Obviously Chicago is much larger and Cleveland isn't really an international destination like Chicago is. Actually Chicago has lost population as well, and without the huge number of immigrants coming to Chicago (especially Mexicans) Chicago would have probably lost nearly as much as Cleveland.

I've been saying that Cleveland reminds me of a mini-Chicago though. The cities have a ton in common, although Cleveland seems about about 15-20 years behind.
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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I agree with RioDominicana on downtown. With all the new projects its definitely going to be big with singles, empty nesters, maybe students, etc. I see families downtown but its many for entertainment not to live there. But downtown is so much different than it was a few years ago and a ton better than other downtowns in the USA. As far as Chicago-ness that is an interesting one. With the aquarium, new flats development, CSU gateway, and proposed waterfront the city WILL go places. But its already going places but not very fast. And I forgot all the University Circle stuff too.
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