A dying city? (Cleveland, Green, Madison: construction, schools, incomes)

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

Forbes has Cleveland on their top ten list for dying cities, and in reading the article it appears that they were rating the entire metro area(s):

Another brutal statistic all the cities share is a diminishing population. So far this decade, 115,000 people have left Cleveland, for other climes.

None of these cities now face the huge declines in real estate prices seen by Phoenix, Miami or Las Vegas, where the Case-Shiller Home Price Index shows nearly 30% declines from a year ago. Detroit is off only about 15%, Cleveland only 8%. Don't call it a bright spot. Prices never went up in the first place.


America's Fastest-Dying Cities - Forbes.com

I might think that now would be a good time a buy a nice house for a low price in some of the cities that are "dying", but most people who are moving don't want to live in Cleveland or the other Rust Belt cities.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

[b]Another brutal statistic all the cities share is a diminishing population. So far this decade, 115,000 people have left Cleveland, for other climes.
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Who said that Cleveland lost 115,000 this decade?

Thats not even close, from 2000 until now Cleveland has lost about 40,000 not 115,000 (2000-478,000, 2007-438,000). Unless they are talking about the whole county, then that might be right.

[Chef Boyardee]

Census Bureau Statistics are fairly clear. Take Cuyahoga County from 1970 (as near a peak as I can easily find) to 2006 and compare it to The United States.

The population of Cuyahoga County declined by nearly 24%, while the population of The United States increased by nearly 50%.

(1.7 mill to 1.3 mill Vs. ~200 mill to ~300 mill)

Cuyahoga County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
http://www.census.gov/population/cencounts/oh190090.txt

Also, you can see the the population of Whites, since 1990, has decreased by about 14%, while the population of Blacks has increased by about 10%.

Cuyahoga County, Ohio - DP-1. General Population and Housing Characteristics: 1990

Cuyahoga County MapStats from FedStats

Unfortunately, it is significantly more difficult to get statistics from 1970 on that

[The Cactus Leaguer]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

I think Free Trade, Slow Population Growth/Mass Murder and Integration has hit The Country hard.

But you are arguing in circles. This thread is about whether CLEVELAND is a dying city, not "The Country". Cleveland is growing more slowly than other metros, so it doesn't make sense to argue that it's free trade/abortion/murder that's hitting Cleveland, and then say that it is hitting all the other metros too.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by The Cactus Leaguer

But you are arguing in circles. This thread is about whether CLEVELAND is a dying city, not "The Country". Cleveland is growing more slowly than other metros, so it doesn't make sense to argue that it's free trade/abortion/murder that's hitting Cleveland, and then say that it is hitting all the other metros too.

Cleveland isn't growing at all; it is shrinking. In that regard, it is not unique. And yes, it is a national problem. In regards to "circles," I think you're just frustrated.

[dustin183]

wake up folks! yes! yes! cleveland is dying! so is every other town in ohio except for columbus. but overall ohio is dying. actually the entire midwest is dying. don't you read your census figures?

the midwest and northeast are declining in population.
the west and south are increasing.

is it really that hard to see? this trend has been going on for years. where have you been?

[costello_musicman]

Originally Posted by dustin183

wake up folks! yes! yes! cleveland is dying! so is every other town in ohio except for columbus. but overall ohio is dying. actually the entire midwest is dying. don't you read your census figures?

the midwest and northeast are declining in population.
the west and south are increasing.

is it really that hard to see? this trend has been going on for years. where have you been?

2006-2007 had Cleveland's lowest population loss in 5 years, and the most money invested in the city since the turn of the decade. Another $4 billion is planned in the city development in the next couple years as well.

Side note, does Columbus count its student population?? Cleveland State is finally building more dorms breaking ground next year. Over the next 5 years, it would increase the population close to 1000.

[BelieveInCleve]

I wouldnt say that Cleveland is actually dying now. If you look at the charts, Cleveland (The City and metro) is at its lowest population loss since the 70s (If I remember right, I have to find the charts again), and it shows that it will level out in just a few years. After leveling off we can start to gain population again. The immediate metro is declining slightly and the CSA even less, all of it will start to level off in a few years and then we will start gaining again.

[airics]

i would like to you to cite your source on the lowest population loss

[dustin183]

you people are soooo in denial. saying things like "2006-2007 had Cleveland's lowest population loss in 5 years".... are you serious? you consider that a good point? that means nothing unless you compare it to every other major city in america. cleveland is at the bottom. people can choose where they want to live and so long as cleveland is at the bottom people will choose not to live there.

cleveland can come back, but first you all need to quit being in denial. recognize your weaknesses and fix them. quite covering them up with stupid rhetoric like "lowest population loss since the 70s".... that does not make you compete with other cities. the only thing that will make you compete is if you clean your city up, reduce crime, etc, etc, etc...