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Old 04-30-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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I hope the city does nothing to mess this up. Their record isn't exactly stellar.

This population growth has nothing to do with the Medical Mart, Casino, or an aquarium. There's no doubt that such attractions are essential to any successful neighborhood, but these things are secondary in importance. The healthy influx of young people into downtown is a natural occurrence of the market. Younger people want different things than their parents did, and the city of Cleveland stands to benefit from such a shift in preference.

Now that said, here's some econ 101 for our ever-so-ambitious city leaders:

"If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, then it leads to higher equilibrium price and higher quantity."

-Wiki

If demand continues to grow at this pace(and most signs suggest that, long term, it will) then the construction of new living spaces will become profitable, and the market will provide the necessary growth. As others have mentioned, not only does downtown stand to gain from this scenario, but peripheral neighborhoods as well.

Time will tell.
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Well this is a national trend among people in their 20s and 30s, so why should Cleveland be any different? I expect the trend to continue in Cleveland and elsewhere.

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Cleveland's crime and blight problems also pale in comparison to either city.
Not sure I would say that. Maybe NYC and DC had higher crime rates at rock bottom, but those two cities still had great infrastructure and buildings at their worst. Cleveland has lost much of its urban bones and must do more rebuilding.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:47 PM
 
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As a first hand observer, I would.

The blighted areas of NYC (the Bronx, a lot of Queens, and parts of Brooklyn) were really, really bad (much of the Bronx, Harlem, Washington Heights, etc. were disaster areas in the 70s and 80s). Many still are. A lot of the buildings were and are a total loss. Even some of the "nicer" areas in lower Manhattan are considerably seedy. Too many people consider NYC to be the financial district, midtown, and the Upper East Side because those are the only places they ever go to. It's actually quite a small part of the city by comparison.

In DC, almost everywhere outside of the Capitol grounds and east of Rock Creek park are in various states of disrepair ranging from peeling paint and busted windows to complete condemnation. The juxtaposition of oppulence to despair in just a few city blocks is simply amazing.

I agree that Cleveland has a lot of rebuilding that needs to happen. But so do the aforementioned places and often in a greater magnitude. It's all subjective until quantified, so I'll leave it there. One thing I think we can agree on is that the necessary rebuilding in Cleveland is pretty manageable.
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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Here is the population change map from 1990-2010.

Metropolitan Spotlights

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Not Dead Yet: The Infill of Cleveland's Urban Core

Richey Piiparinen
Center on Urban Poverty and Community Development at Case Western Reserve University

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Old 05-04-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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Downtown living is as expensive, if not more so, then suburbia. Young professionals are moving downtown in droves so they can walk to work and be a part of what's happening downtown. Not to mention almost $4.00/gallon gas that's making people re-think living an hour from work.
The problem is that the rental and for-sale market for new residential projects is moving slowly. With such high demand, new construction remains largely cost prohibitive -Cleveland needs high-density residential development projects; how about a new version of the Park Center? That place was built in the early 70s; where are the large projects today?
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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The problem is that the rental and for-sale market for new residential projects is moving slowly. With such high demand, new construction remains largely cost prohibitive -Cleveland needs high-density residential development projects; how about a new version of the Park Center? That place was built in the early 70s; where are the large projects today?
Here's the current list from UrbanOhio for strictly Downtown:

DOWNTOWN CLEVELAND NEW RESIDENTIAL

Under Construction:
Cleveland State University Mixed-Use North Campus Apartments (308 units) -- $45 million http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/06/new_neighborhood_to_rise_on_cl.html

In the pipeline:
The Park Building and Southworth Building apartments (34 apartments) -- $21 million http://development.ohio.gov/Urban/OHPTC/documents/Round7ApprovedApplications.pdf
Hanna Annex Apartments (102 apartments) -- $23 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/12/playhousesquare_to_sell_downto.html
Schofield Building (24-30 apartments) -- $40 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/06/four_northeast_ohio_projects_i.html

Planning Stages:
Rosetta Center Building (85 apartments) -- $4 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/03/part_of_rosetta_center_office.html
Flats East Bank Phase II Residential (140 apartments) -- $120 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/04/flats_east_bank_project_lines.html
East Ohio Building at 1717 East Ninth St (223 apartments) http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/03/kd_group_plans_to_buy_redevelo.html
Truman Building at 1030 Euclid (20 apartments) http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/11/with_apartments_full_developer.html
Avenue District conversion into apartments at 1211 Saint Clair Ave (up to 62 units) http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110725/FREE/307259967
1120 Chester Ave (4-story building for apartments) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2012/crr04-30-2012.pdf

Proposed:
Garfield Building (E.6th)
Baker Building (E.6th)
Arcade (100 apartments) http://crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=TOC

When pigs fly:
515 Euclid Ave (240 units) http://www.desman.com/hotproperty/task,view/id,59/Itemid,168/
Huntington Bank Building at 917 Euclid Ave http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/11/huntington_moving_to_200_publi.html
Standard Building at 1370 Ontario St http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/01/railroad_union_nhttp://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/Themes/default/images/bbc/glow.gifations_oldest.html
Warehouse District mixed-used Transit Hub http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/11/post_536.html
Lakefront Residential http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2011/11/new_lakefront_plan_from_clevel.html
Playhouse Square parking lot across from Palace Theater http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/12/playhousesquare_to_sell_downto.html


Read more: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/inde...#ixzz1tvzJGOei
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Old 05-04-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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Here's the current list from UrbanOhio for strictly Downtown:

DOWNTOWN CLEVELAND NEW RESIDENTIAL

Under Construction:
Cleveland State University Mixed-Use North Campus Apartments (308 units) -- $45 million http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/06/new_neighborhood_to_rise_on_cl.html

In the pipeline:
The Park Building and Southworth Building apartments (34 apartments) -- $21 million http://development.ohio.gov/Urban/OHPTC/documents/Round7ApprovedApplications.pdf
Hanna Annex Apartments (102 apartments) -- $23 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/12/playhousesquare_to_sell_downto.html
Schofield Building (24-30 apartments) -- $40 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/06/four_northeast_ohio_projects_i.html

Planning Stages:
Rosetta Center Building (85 apartments) -- $4 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/03/part_of_rosetta_center_office.html
Flats East Bank Phase II Residential (140 apartments) -- $120 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/04/flats_east_bank_project_lines.html
East Ohio Building at 1717 East Ninth St (223 apartments) http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/03/kd_group_plans_to_buy_redevelo.html
Truman Building at 1030 Euclid (20 apartments) http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/11/with_apartments_full_developer.html
Avenue District conversion into apartments at 1211 Saint Clair Ave (up to 62 units) http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110725/FREE/307259967
1120 Chester Ave (4-story building for apartments) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2012/crr04-30-2012.pdf

Proposed:
Garfield Building (E.6th)
Baker Building (E.6th)
Arcade (100 apartments) http://crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=TOC

When pigs fly:
515 Euclid Ave (240 units) http://www.desman.com/hotproperty/task,view/id,59/Itemid,168/
Huntington Bank Building at 917 Euclid Ave http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/11/huntington_moving_to_200_publi.html
Standard Building at 1370 Ontario St http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/01/railroad_union_nhttp://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/Themes/default/images/bbc/glow.gifations_oldest.html
Warehouse District mixed-used Transit Hub http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/11/post_536.html
Lakefront Residential http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2011/11/new_lakefront_plan_from_clevel.html
Playhouse Square parking lot across from Palace Theater http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/12/playhousesquare_to_sell_downto.html


Read more: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/inde...#ixzz1tvzJGOei
I know there are many planned and proposed projects but the ones actual under construction looks to be about only 500.
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