Forbes doing again-most miserable cities (Cleveland, Ohio City: squatters, neighborhood, purchase)

[benleis]

Originally Posted by Natural510

Well, it doesn't seem like they've done much over those 60 years to stem the tide, only in the past few. The way to attract businesses back to a region, besides tax incentives and an educated populace, is to invest in infrastructure. Cleveland's doing it right.

Having grown up in Cleveland during the 80's, believe me folks were aware of the decline and trying all kinds of efforts back then. Its a mistake to think that attempted revitalization is only a recent phenomenon. The more important question to ask is what is happening differently today that will lead to a better outcome.

Ben

[NC_MVP]

Forbes is a trash publication. I would rather read the National Enquirer, at least they only pick on millionaire celebrities who actually love the publicity. Any one who states that NYC is one of the nation's most miserable cities has lost all credibility, even the National Enquirer would never post anything that outrageous.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by NC_MVP

Forbes is a trash publication. I would rather read the National Enquirer, at least they only pick on millionaire celebrities who actually love the publicity. Any one who states that NYC is one of the nation's most miserable cities has lost all credibility, even the National Enquirer would never post anything that outrageous.

New York is the most miserable city in the country every year, but the people who live there wouldn't have it any other way.

[cali3448893]

This is a joke cleveland is more miserable than gary haha

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by benleis

Having grown up in Cleveland during the 80's, believe me folks were aware of the decline and trying all kinds of efforts back then. Its a mistake to think that attempted revitalization is only a recent phenomenon. The more important question to ask is what is happening differently today that will lead to a better outcome.

Ben

Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along. There was tons of investment into downtown Cleveland during the 1980s, yet the city continued to decline overall. Now, perhaps it really is different this time, but I, for one, am skeptical. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on whether a true renaissance is currently taking place.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along. There was tons of investment into downtown Cleveland during the 1980s, yet the city continued to decline overall. Now, perhaps it really is different this time, but I, for one, am skeptical. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on whether a true renaissance is currently taking place.

Let's just ignore the fact that now PEOPLE live downtown. The population of downtown now is at least more than twice the population as 80s and 90s and is going up up up. Therein lies the difference. Always a better sign when you have people moving into an area, not just throw up a couple buildings to make it look pretty.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along. There was tons of investment into downtown Cleveland during the 1980s, yet the city continued to decline overall. Now, perhaps it really is different this time, but I, for one, am skeptical. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on whether a true renaissance is currently taking place.

You know, it's funny that you said you moved from Cleveland to Chicago because you didn't feel that you were living in "a real city", but you're always on the Cleveland board talking about the situations in Cleveland. Why aren't you on you're "real city" board and talking about the things that are going in Chicago (i.e. the high homicide rate)? I guess there's nothing interesting enough on the Chicago board so you come here. At least, one thing about the Cleveland board there's a lot of pride, but we still leave enough room open to talk about the problems. Unlike, some Chicagoans who try to be arrogant and pretend that problems don't exist when it's being brought to the forefront nationally.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by QCongress83216

You know, it's funny that you said you moved from Cleveland to Chicago because you didn't feel that you were living in "a real city", but you're always on the Cleveland board talking about the situations in Cleveland. Why aren't you on you're "real city" board and talking about the things that are going in Chicago (i.e. the high homicide rate)? I guess there's nothing interesting enough on the Chicago board so you come here. At least, one thing about the Cleveland board there's a lot of pride, but we still leave enough room open to talk about the problems. Unlike, some Chicagoans who try to be arrogant and pretend that problems don't exist when it's being brought to the forefront nationally.

It's been lower than Cleveland's for nine consecutive years. But really, it's best not to engage andrew61 at all when he does this. He asks what a city can do for him, not what he can do for a city, which is fine, but he has an awfully self-important attitude about it. Why let it get under your skin?

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by QCongress83216

You know, it's funny that you said you moved from Cleveland to Chicago because you didn't feel that you were living in "a real city", but you're always on the Cleveland board talking about the situations in Cleveland. Why aren't you on you're "real city" board and talking about the things that are going in Chicago (i.e. the high homicide rate)? I guess there's nothing interesting enough on the Chicago board so you come here. At least, one thing about the Cleveland board there's a lot of pride, but we still leave enough room open to talk about the problems. Unlike, some Chicagoans who try to be arrogant and pretend that problems don't exist when it's being brought to the forefront nationally.

Your points fall on deaf ears.

But to be honest, I rather enjoy when andy throws his 2 cents in.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by benleis

Having grown up in Cleveland during the 80's, believe me folks were aware of the decline and trying all kinds of efforts back then. Its a mistake to think that attempted revitalization is only a recent phenomenon. The more important question to ask is what is happening differently today that will lead to a better outcome.

Ben

People actually want to live in the city again... well, at least more people do.