Cleveland: Midwest or Northeastern/East Coast? (Columbus, Cincinnati: credit, how much, tax)

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by Bluefoxwarrior

I'm not trying to make some dramatic point that that the Midwest is an arbitrary gray area while the NE and the South are extremely defined. I'm just saying that based on my knowledge, there tends to be more uniformity among states in the South and NE than in the Midwest, socially, politically, culturally, etc.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Do you think Asheville, NC is anything like Lake Charles, LA socially, politically, culturally, demographically, etc? You could find similar variation in the state of South Carolina alone. The Low Country (Charleston, Beaufort, Goose Creek, etc.) is nothing like the Piedmont Region (Greenville, Spartanburg, Aiken, etc.). And Charlestonians will be quick to tell you that they are NOT like those people upstate. It's still all the South, however. It's just variation within a region that's far from being monolithic.

Originally Posted by Bluefoxwarrior

, most NE states are liberal (except maybe New Hampshire) while most Southern states are conservative. Obviously you have noted some exceptions, but it's not on the scale like you see in the Midwest.

I think it's more fair to say that the more urban areas of the Northeast are liberal. Pennsylvania in particular has a lot of people who are economically liberal, but socially conservative. If it weren't for Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania would probably look a lot more like Georgia. The state would consistently go red with blue blobs in Eastern PA and around the college towns.

[garmin239]

It is midwestern with some northeast characteristics. Lots of people like to wrongly equate northeast with east coast. There is much more to the northeast than the i-95 cities.

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by garmin239

It is midwestern with some northeast characteristics. Lots of people like to wrongly equate northeast with east coast. There is much more to the northeast than the i-95 cities.

To me, it is solidly Midwestern. If Pittsburgh's status as a true Northeastern city can be a little questionable at times, then Cleveland, which is west of Pittsburgh, is definitely Midwestern.

I've noticed a tendency on City-Data to resist any association with anything southern (or rural) and a tendency to create a stronger association with anything northeastern, eastern, northern or urban. I mean, talking about settlers from New England is stretching things a bit far, imo.

[nephi215]

Cleveland is undeniably Midwestern.

[BajanYankee]

But I hear a lot of ridiculous stuff on here. Are geography and social studies still requirements for middle schoolers?

I don't think of NYC as northeast, and certainly not Philly.

[DinsdalePirahna]

Originally Posted by stlouisan

Pittsburgh essentially is Midwestern. I...

Seriously?

There is nothing midwestern about Pittsburgh. Buffalo, NY feels more midwestern than Pittsburgh and even that is a stretch) Pittsburgh is one of those transitional cities-but the transition is Appalachian/Northeastern

Cleveland is a transitional city: Midwest/Northeastern. I never felt I was in the midwest when visiting.

[nei]

What makes Cleveland northeastern? Only passed through briefly but it seems rather different than further east, didn't see that many similarities.

[Min-Chi-Cbus]

I live in Cleveland too. It's Midwestern. Granted, it's older and has more characteristics of the Northeast, but it's not too different than Detroit, Cincinnati or Chicago, and nobody is calling those "East Coast", are they?

[Min-Chi-Cbus]

Originally Posted by DinsdalePirahna

Seriously?

There is nothing midwestern about Pittsburgh. Buffalo, NY feels more midwestern than Pittsburgh and even that is a stretch) Pittsburgh is one of those transitional cities-but the transition is Appalachian/Northeastern

Cleveland is a transitional city: Midwest/Northeastern. I never felt I was in the midwest when visiting.

Pittsburgh looks and feels like Cleveland.
Cleveland is Midwestern.
I can see how people would consider Pittsburgh more Midwestern than Northeastern.

Besides, what truly separates the Midwest from the Northeast (especially in the 1800's!) is the Appalachian Mountains. Pittsburgh is on the wrong side of that range. Pittsburgh to me doesn't have a true regional definition like other cities do, which makes it rather strange (same could be said for Miami).

[DinsdalePirahna]

Originally Posted by Min-Chi-Cbus

Pittsburgh looks and feels like Cleveland.
Cleveland is Midwestern.
I can see how people would consider Pittsburgh more Midwestern than Northeastern.

Besides, what truly separates the Midwest from the Northeast (especially in the 1800's!) is the Appalachian Mountains. Pittsburgh is on the wrong side of that range. Pittsburgh to me doesn't have a true regional definition like other cities do, which makes it rather strange (same could be said for Miami).

Since I was only a frequent visitor to Cleveland, i'll take your word for it. But to me, i never felt I was in the midwest.

I lived in Pittsburgh for 4 years, and there is nothing midwestern about it.