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Old 09-18-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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I always thought Cleveland's most Allentown-like neighborhood was Tremont. A few differences: Tremont doesn't have the same population density as Allentown, and its commercial uses are more scattered.
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That's a fair comparison. I'm not so sure about your density comment. Tremont has seen a lot of townhouse and apt growth in the last decade -- much more than I've seen Allentown. Plus, there are a number of old apartment buildings along Tremont's southern flank, along E. 14th and Scranton Road ... Btw, I think Allentown echoes Ohio City as well; it appears to be an old Victorian-era neighborhood like OC, with similarly lively entertaiment areas.


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Ohio City reminds me of what Buffalo's Broadway-Fillmore/Polonia neighborhood would be like if it had experienced some gentrification, instead of being absorbed into the urban prairie.
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That's a stretch. The old Victorian housing stock in Ohio City, generally, is much more unique than Broadway-Filmore/Polonia imho... Plus, even in its rundown/struggling years of 2, 3 decades ago, Ohio City never devolved to where B-F/P is today... If you compared B-F/P to Cleveland's Detroit-Shoreway, I may be more prone to agree... There are some still rough, semi-decaying areas of D-S, but these are gentrifying, esp in the North section around the Gordon Square retail district and closer to the Lakeshore, in the rapidly growing Battery Park new housing district.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:01 PM
 
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Buffalo, Milwaukee & Pittsburgh are all pretty similar to Cleveland. I grew up in Buffalo, my wife attended school in Milwaukee while we were dating, we moved to Cleveland for 15 years, we've been back in Buffalo for 2 years, only to likely head back to Cleveland this summer. We love our Great Lakes.

Culturally Cleveland is closer to Buffalo than Milwaukee, of course. I was surprised when I first moved there, and I came to appreciate that Buffalo is really midwest - despite must Buffalonians self-identifying with New York State and therefore the northeast, it's simply not true. The pop/soda maps bear this out. Geographically they're must closer, too - with Buffalo nearly identical from a climate standpoint, just three degrees colder. Milwaukee really has a continental climate unmoderated by the lake. But since Milwaukee is much closer in size to Cleveland, there are some similarities that way. Buffalo simply does not have the cultural pull due its smaller size. Yes, there are differences. But these cities are the closest comparisons I think you'll find.
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:50 AM
 
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Erie has always struck me as a mini-Cleveland... so many similarities.

Cleveland is somewhat of a hybrid of Detroit and Buffalo.

The comparisons to Pittsburgh are overrated. There are a few prominent similarities, but the cities are much different despite their close proximity, shared industrial history and Eastern European ethnic populations. Pittsburgh's built form and topography is much more similar to Cincinnati.
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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But since Milwaukee is much closer in size to Cleveland, there are some similarities that way. Buffalo simply does not have the cultural pull due its smaller size. Yes, there are differences. But these cities are the closest comparisons I think you'll find.
You might be surprised to learn that the Milwaukee Metropolitan Area is closer in size to the Buffalo Metropolitan Area than Cleveland.

Cleveland MSA - 2,063,535
Milwaukee MSA - 1,566,981
Buffalo MSA - 1,134,210 (and of course, there's a few hundred thousand Canadians directly adjacent to Buffalo/Niagara that aren't counted)

I think what really seperates a Milwaukee from a Buffalo is that Milwaukee is the alpha city of its state, is ringed by smaller satellite cities that support its market (Rochester is more of a peer to Buffalo), and benefits from proximity to Chicago. (Buffalo is similarly close to Toronto, but the border prevents the same kind of relationship).
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:56 PM
 
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Erie has always struck me as a mini-Cleveland... so many similarities.

Cleveland is somewhat of a hybrid of Detroit and Buffalo.

The comparisons to Pittsburgh are overrated. There are a few prominent similarities, but the cities are much different despite their close proximity, shared industrial history and Eastern European ethnic populations. Pittsburgh's built form and topography is much more similar to Cincinnati.
I definitely agree with this. Pittsburgh always reminded me more of Cincinnati in terms of layout and geography and maybe Columbus in terms of people.
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Old 02-14-2014, 10:00 AM
 
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You might be surprised to learn that the Milwaukee Metropolitan Area is closer in size to the Buffalo Metropolitan Area than Cleveland.

Cleveland MSA - 2,063,535
Milwaukee MSA - 1,566,981
Buffalo MSA - 1,134,210 (and of course, there's a few hundred thousand Canadians directly adjacent to Buffalo/Niagara that aren't counted)

I think what really seperates a Milwaukee from a Buffalo is that Milwaukee is the alpha city of its state, is ringed by smaller satellite cities that support its market (Rochester is more of a peer to Buffalo), and benefits from proximity to Chicago. (Buffalo is similarly close to Toronto, but the border prevents the same kind of relationship).
I was surprised to find that Milwaukee is only 1.5M. I thought it was much closer to Cleveland in size. But yes, the rest all rings true. Milwaukee is Wisconsin's alpha city for sure. But Buffalo never feels that way. And the US-Canada border is way more of a nuisance than it used to be. It's one of the unnoticed tragedies of 9/11, although they are getting better about it.
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