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Old 03-28-2014, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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All the Tops stores closed. No one really needs Joann Fabrics. And I found the Plain Dealer website where you "copy and pasted" your so called "facts" from, and it says that a new developer bought it and is planning to renovate it and have a better occupancy.
Ummmmm it's called citing a source. Lol you found the article? That I posted? Must have been hard work. If you've ever been there, you know the place is empty. Whether or not you personally saw a use for a fabric store (many people do) and regardless of Tops, the point is that 3/4 of that massive shopping center is empty. This is good for the neighborhood...... how???? Come on man think about it for a second. The place is sitting there, empty and dying. It's not coming back.
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Old 03-28-2014, 11:15 PM
 
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Ummmmm it's called citing a source. Lol you found the article? That I posted? Must have been hard work. If you've ever been there, you know the place is empty. Whether or not you personally saw a use for a fabric store (many people do) and regardless of Tops, the point is that 3/4 of that massive shopping center is empty. This is good for the neighborhood...... how???? Come on man think about it for a second. The place is sitting there, empty and dying. It's not coming back.
Target's always busy.
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Old 03-29-2014, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Target's always busy.
Well then it was worth it. One store does well. Congrats.

University Square is 3/4 empty. Three fourths. That's absolutely horrendous.
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Old 03-29-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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Well then it was worth it. One store does well. Congrats.

University Square is 3/4 empty. Three fourths. That's absolutely horrendous.
You say that as if it's one tiny store. With the right plan in place by the new ownership, Target's traffic could potentially be leveraged to turn the shopping center around. Target's a strong anchor that's not going anywhere.
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Old 03-29-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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University Square is not now nor was it ever intended to be a regional destination, so advertising would be a waste of money. It's just a suburban shopping center and it serves its intended customer base just fine. But that land has a long history of being used for retail. Mays on the Heights built there in the mid-1950s, about a decade before Severance was developed and two decades before Beachwood Place was built, so don't blame University Heights for retail over-saturation in the eastern suburbs.
No, I don't blame University Square for retail oversaturation in the eastern suburbs but unless BJimmy and all the others commenting in the Plain Dealer are biased (which I don't think they are), you have to admit that something, be it the newer shopping malls or other, is taking business away from University Square. Either the concept missed the target or it simply has a hard time competing with the newer malls. I could name you instances of newer shopping malls and centers killing off older longstanding ones in at least four different metro areas. It's a sad thing and I don't like seeing a dead mall as much as anyone else but it happens. No perhaps University Square will not die completely because it is a fairly new place but it might be converted into something different than an ordinary shopping center in the long run. Yet as Marty711 stated, there probably is a grain of truth that more people are wanting to move back into Cleveland proper and that is where retail has to sprout, especially along popular transit corridors like Euclid Avenue.
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Old 03-29-2014, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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You say that as if it's one tiny store. With the right plan in place by the new ownership, Target's traffic could potentially be leveraged to turn the shopping center around. Target's a strong anchor that's not going anywhere.
Well, when's that gonna happen? It's already been like 10 years. And Target is a big store, but University Square is a gigantic complex.
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:15 AM
 
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Ummmmm it's called citing a source. Lol you found the article? That I posted? Must have been hard work. If you've ever been there, you know the place is empty. Whether or not you personally saw a use for a fabric store (many people do) and regardless of Tops, the point is that 3/4 of that massive shopping center is empty. This is good for the neighborhood...... how???? Come on man think about it for a second. The place is sitting there, empty and dying. It's not coming back.
Couple clarifications re University Square.

- Tops closed years ago, and the chain generally was bought by Giant Eagle, and all stores were renamed as such.

- I don't get your 3/4 empty math. Macy's, which is the anchor store, is alive and well as are the busy, 2-level Target and T.J. Maxx.

- The parking garage was structurally unsound, and propped up by steel columns.

- There is a busy Applebee's adjacent to the complex which is always busy.

- The neighborhood is busy retail-wise, with a number of new/newish stores including a 5/6 year-old Whole Foods across the street and the revamped Cedar-Center shopping center nearby.
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Old 04-05-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Couple clarifications re University Square.

- Tops closed years ago, and the chain generally was bought by Giant Eagle, and all stores were renamed as such.

- I don't get your 3/4 empty math. Macy's, which is the anchor store, is alive and well as are the busy, 2-level Target and T.J. Maxx.

- The parking garage was structurally unsound, and propped up by steel columns.

- There is a busy Applebee's adjacent to the complex which is always busy.

- The neighborhood is busy retail-wise, with a number of new/newish stores including a 5/6 year-old Whole Foods across the street and the revamped Cedar-Center shopping center nearby.
Try reading the article about the vacancy rate. So Macy's, Target, and TJ Maxx is 3 stores and University Square is huge. Lots of other places have left.
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