Amazon solicits bids from North American cities for a second HQ (Columbus: living in, airport)

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I've long been under the impression that Clevelanders don't much like Columbus, either, at least on this forum- and in Cleveland.com articles.


There's little doubt that Cleveland is drafting a proposal for the project. There are going to be few cities that don't. They'd be kind of crazy not to, however unlikely being awarded it.

I don't have a problem with Columbus besides I never been there. Plus, you guys are getting the most national hype in Ohio right now.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by QCongress83216

I don't have a problem with Columbus besides I never been there. Plus, you guys are getting the most national hype in Ohio right now.

I am not sure about this. I get the feeling that Cleveland, even if negatively viewed, still gets way more press than any other city in Ohio.

I doubt most people could tell you much anything about Columbus at all.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I am not sure about this. I get the feeling that Cleveland, even if negatively viewed, still gets way more press than any other city in Ohio.

I doubt most people could tell you much anything about Columbus at all.

But, Columbus has been getting hype for the last few years as far as businesses and population growth.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by QCongress83216

But, Columbus has been getting hype for the last few years as far as businesses and population growth.

I still bet that if you asked the average person about Columbus, OH, they would not know whether the city was growing or shrinking, businesses moving in or out, etc.

[althor]

Originally Posted by motorman

As you mentioned on another site, the combined presence of Amazon and DHL will position CVG among the top freight airports in the world...

"The loss of the Delta Hub at CVG could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Cincinnati. The enormous unused capacity of the airport first landed it the DHL hub and now Amazon Prime. Freight operations will soon dwarf the combined UPS and FedEx hubs in Memphis and Louisville. In 10-20 years we could end up with much more e-commerce in Cincinnati than any other metro -- totally by chance."

With both Amazon and DHL in full swing, it's highly probably that CVG will become the world's busiest cargo airport; a brief analysis of the stats below will suggest why I say this. What's important is that Jeff Bezos also knows this. Everyone can draw their own conclusions how this will affect Cincinnati; it's pretty obvious to me.

Top 10 Busiest Cargo Airports in the World 2017 Statistics & Reports | AirlinesBox.com

Amazon's number one issue is attracting talent. Locating near a freight hub is not going to be a priority. Locating in a city where it can attract young tech talent will be a priority.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I still bet that if you asked the average person about Columbus, OH, they would not know whether the city was growing or shrinking, businesses moving in or out, etc.

You do make a good point.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by QCongress83216

I don't have a problem with Columbus besides I never been there. Plus, you guys are getting the most national hype in Ohio right now.

I don't hear anything about Columbus...pro or con. No image really...pro or con. Most people don't have a reaction other than maybe it is the capitol of Ohio...and Ohio, but Ohio will conjure up some negatives though.

I was in COL a few years ago for a wedding. Nothing great. It's shaped by millennials I guess and is a draw for other Ohio residents, mostly small town and suburban types.

All U.S. cities are getting dull and bland, especially the new growth ''new big'' cities.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I still bet that if you asked the average person about Columbus, OH, they would not know whether the city was growing or shrinking, businesses moving in or out, etc.

Eh, I would not be so sure of that anymore. I'm seeing it mentioned a LOT more in national articles. Maybe it's not as well-recognized yet, but it's certainly increasing.

And f you asked the average person about Cleveland, what would they know? I suspect none of the more recent positives, but rather its image as a shrinking Rust Belt city or the Cavs/Browns. I don't think public perception is necessarily a great benchmark, anyway.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

I don't hear anything about Columbus...pro or con. No image really...pro or con. Most people don't have a reaction other than maybe it is the capitol of Ohio...and Ohio, but Ohio will conjure up some negatives though.

I was in COL a few years ago for a wedding. Nothing great. It's shaped by millennials I guess and is a draw for other Ohio residents, mostly small town and suburban types.

All U.S. cities are getting dull and bland, especially the new growth ''new big'' cities.

Millennials may not be your cup of tea, but they are the largest generation in history and they're going to have enormous influence long into the future. I am not sure it makes good sense for a city to ignore them or be resentful of what they're looking for. Cities are too economically competitive now, and the Amazon HQ search is just one example of that reality.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by motorman

As you mentioned on another site, the combined presence of Amazon and DHL will position CVG among the top freight airports in the world...

"The loss of the Delta Hub at CVG could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Cincinnati. The enormous unused capacity of the airport first landed it the DHL hub and now Amazon Prime. Freight operations will soon dwarf the combined UPS and FedEx hubs in Memphis and Louisville. In 10-20 years we could end up with much more e-commerce in Cincinnati than any other metro -- totally by chance."

With both Amazon and DHL in full swing, it's highly probably that CVG will become the world's busiest cargo airport; a brief analysis of the stats below will suggest why I say this. What's important is that Jeff Bezos also knows this. Everyone can draw their own conclusions how this will affect Cincinnati; it's pretty obvious to me.

Top 10 Busiest Cargo Airports in the World 2017 Statistics & Reports | AirlinesBox.com

The DHL hub, despite currently employing about 900 sorters and about 150 people in the office, is pretty small by global standards because it's only international. DHL abandoned its domestic business about five years ago and moved from Wilmington back to Cincinnati. Obviously the partnership with Amazon Prime Air will mean it will have a huge amount of domestic traffic once again.


DHL operates international hubs in just four cities -- Frankfurt, Hong Kong, Cincinnati, and NYC. The anomaly is that NYC business to and from Frankfurt has its own planes. So Cincinnati handles about 90% of the international traffic, but any NYC to/from Europe business goes between JFK and Frankfurt on its own planes and its own system.