Lordstown OH: GM plans to slash 14,000 jobs, including more than 1,400 here as it ends production of the Chevrolet Cruze (Cleveland: wages, tax)

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by Natural510

I think people just don’t want small American cars. They know they’re guaranteed to get something which runs better and lasts longer in a Toyota or Honda.

I knew I'd seen something about this, not long ago.


Chevy Cruze earns Consumer Reports reliability recommendation | vindy.com


Not the same as long-term reliability, but:

It notes that the 2019 Cruze beats its competitors, such as the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla, in CR’s road test scores.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Really?

Please name the other corporations whose emergence from bankruptcy was bankrolled by the U.S. Treasury, let alone $33 billion of Treasury financing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera...reorganization

Bear Stearns, AIG, Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac all come to mind. There were lots of companies bailed out during the savings and loan crisis, and again later during the motgage crash. I think there were some during the 1929 depression too.

The GM bailout is not unique. Shafting all the GM Bondholders to prop up the Unions' collapsing Pension Ponzi scheme..now that WAS unique....more to come on that in the future.

[jbcmh81]

Trump campaigned specifically on this kind of thing not happening, or actually reversing. Whether he is to blame for any of it directly with his own policy can be debated, but he made promises that will clearly never be fulfilled. I guess his supporters will simply move the goalposts so those promises don't matter, but they, whether they admit it to themselves or not, were played big time. NEO lurched to the right in 2016 to support who will easily be the worst president of all time, and they have exactly zero to show for it. At best, it's the status quo since at least the 1970s. Maybe these places should stop relying on empty promises and start moving away from having the local economy be based on a few manufacturing companies. Or hey, don't. It's definitely working out.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Trump campaigned specifically on this kind of thing not happening, or actually reversing. Whether he is to blame for any of it directly with his own policy can be debated, but he made promises that will clearly never be fulfilled. I guess his supporters will simply move the goalposts so those promises don't matter, but they, whether they admit it to themselves or not, were played big time. NEO lurched to the right in 2016 to support who will easily be the worst president of all time, and they have exactly zero to show for it. At best, it's the status quo since at least the 1970s. Maybe these places should stop relying on empty promises and start moving away from having the local economy be based on a few manufacturing companies. Or hey, don't. It's definitely working out.

Um, these GM car models were discontinued due to lack of sales; these same model s were built at the planets announced to be closed. Trump promised to create and bring jobs back to the u.s. The present GM situation is not applicable. Trump is now responsible for the fact that consumer taste changes and gm management needs to adjust by closing plants and cutting jobs across the board? Don’t recall that Eisenhower took heat because the Edsel was a failure.

Do you own a Cruze or a Volt?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Um, these GM car models were discontinued due to lack of sales; these same model s were built at the planets announced to be closed. Trump promised to create and bring jobs back to the u.s. The present GM situation is not applicable. Trump is now responsible for the fact that consumer taste changes and gm management needs to adjust by closing plants and cutting jobs across the board? Don’t recall that Eisenhower took heat because the Edsel was a failure.

Do you own a Cruze or a Volt?

So if things were great otherwise and this was just a matter of a model not selling, they couldn't have invested in switching the factory to produce another model?
And no, Trump made specific promises that manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost in addition to jobs returning to the country. There has been pretty much none of that. The company raked in millions with the Trump corporate tax cut giveaway (after the Bush/Obama stimulus during the last crash) and is still sticking it to the workers by closing plants and moving more production out of the country. What exactly is the consolation prize? Presidents shouldn't make grand promises if they can't make them happen. That's why people voted for this fool. A nuanced view about consumer behavior or global trends is too little, too late. People wanted easy solutions from a man who could never provide any solutions at all. They should be angry at GM, Trump and also themselves for falling for it yet again.

No, I don't own a car at all. I live in a city with actual extensive public transit and walkability. If I did ever buy another car, it certainly wouldn't be the huge, gas-guzzling behemoths that Americans love. They're already wasteful dinosaurs.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

So if things were great otherwise and this was just a matter of a model not selling, they couldn't have invested in switching the factory to produce another model?
And no, Trump made specific promises that manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost in addition to jobs returning to the country. There has been pretty much none of that. The company raked in millions with the Trump corporate tax cut giveaway (after the Bush/Obama stimulus during the last crash) and is still sticking it to the workers by closing plants and moving more production out of the country. What exactly is the consolation prize? Presidents shouldn't make grand promises if they can't make them happen. That's why people voted for this fool. A nuanced view about consumer behavior or global trends is too little, too late. People wanted easy solutions from a man who could never provide any solutions at all. They should be angry at GM, Trump and also themselves for falling for it yet again.

No, I don't own a car at all. I live in a city with actual extensive public transit and walkability. If I did ever buy another car, it certainly wouldn't be the huge, gas-guzzling behemoths that Americans love. They're already wasteful dinosaurs.

Nice try, but no one said a Corp. can’t or won’t cut jobs. That’s ridiculous.

Still sore about the 2016 election sitting there in a “developing” country without a car and critizing GM for cutting production of car models no one is buying.

Trump 1st 21 months in office has seen 396,000 manufacturing jobs created in the u.s. while the last 21 months of Barry Obama saw about 39,000 jobs. This would be the reason rust belt states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin all went red. States and counties not red since the ‘80s went for Trump. These former Obama voter saw these dismal manufacturing numbers while Barry put them down while he set “transgender” potty policies and created the worst racial tension since the ‘60s.

The consolation prize for these gm workers is having a chance of getting another job.

Wonder if the obamas mention this fact while collecting their engagement fees to bash Trump. Doubt many of those new manufacturing workers want to pay $200. to hear about Michelle’s cliche childhood in Chicago though.

As far as dogging Trump voters, what was the choice? Bonnie Parker Clinton? Please. You didn’t see the writing on the wall in 2016 and apparently continue to do so. Blaming and calling trump voters racists, KKK members, nazis, white supremacists and defaulting to the Russians while the actual reason is plain: 396,000 manufacturing jobs in 21 months. Even Democrat bastion and rust belt star Cleveland had the fastest growing Midwest economy in 2017.

And no one can understand why Trump won.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Nice try, but no one said a Corp. can’t or won’t cut jobs. That’s ridiculous.

Still sore about the 2016 election sitting there in a “developing” country without a car and critizing GM for cutting production of car models no one is buying.

Trump 1st 21 months in office has seen 396,000 manufacturing jobs created in the u.s. while the last 21 months of Barry Obama saw about 39,000 jobs. This would be the reason rust belt states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin all went red. States and counties not red since the ‘80s went for Trump. These former Obama voter saw these dismal manufacturing numbers while Barry put them down while he set “transgender” potty policies and created the worst racial tension since the ‘60s.

The consolation prize for these gm workers is having a chance of getting another job.

Wonder if the obamas mention this fact while collecting their engagement fees to bash Trump. Doubt many of those new manufacturing workers want to pay $200. to hear about Michelle’s cliche childhood in Chicago though.

As far as dogging Trump voters, what was the choice? Bonnie Parker Clinton? Please. You didn’t see the writing on the wall in 2016 and apparently continue to do so. Blaming and calling trump voters racists, KKK members, nazis, white supremacists and defaulting to the Russians while the actual reason is plain: 396,000 manufacturing jobs in 21 months. Even Democrat bastion and rust belt star Cleveland had the fastest growing Midwest economy in 2017.

And no one can understand why Trump won.

So ignorance, casual bigotry and racism, and unable to stop talking about Hillary Clinton/Obama while ignoring the endless misdeeds, lies and crimes of Dear Leader. Yep, that's the trifecta right there- definitely a Trump voter.

We know why he won. Hell, I expected him to win. Not because he's any kind of leader, but because lies work and people don't remember a damn thing about history. Americans are not immune from the nationalistic road to disaster.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

So ignorance, casual bigotry and racism, and unable to stop talking about Hillary Clinton/Obama while ignoring the endless misdeeds, lies and crimes of Dear Leader. Yep, that's the trifecta right there- definitely a Trump voter.

We know why he won. Hell, I expected him to win. Not because he's any kind of leader, but because lies work and people don't remember a damn thing about history. Americans are not immune from the nationalistic road to disaster.

You didn't expect Trump to win and thanks, of course, for the standard ''bigotry and racism'' default points.

Despite all your prognosticating from the 3rd world country, sorry the ''developing'' country, you live in, people in the U.S. are working, including lots of blacks and hispanics.

So how did Obama win two elections if the U.S. is so full of the ''trifecta'' (even though you made 4 points) you describe. Sorry, it's not about race, I know this is disappointing.

Meanwhile, the 2018 midterms showed Ohio to be even more Red while you sit in Mexico City enjoying the low cost of living judging Americans who want to work in their own country. Whether Trump ends up being the worst President or not, that was the choice. Trump may or may not get re-elected, that's how it works. In the meantime, go hide in a ''safe place'' or something.

Btw, don't bring up how stupis, racist, and naive Trump voters are and not expect the Russian stolen 2016 election to come up (Hillary, Barry, and Michelle). Must say it's hilarious to watch Hillary, Barry, and Michelle go around the world trying to claim credit for Trump's success with barely concealed anger...lol.

[216facts]

Uhhh Gawd. Please take the political crap somewhere else.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by 216facts

Uhhh Gawd. Please take the political crap somewhere else.

How can politics not be involved in GM proposed plant closing when Trump is the President? Did you really think this topic wouldn't revert to Trump bashing? Is there any topic today that doesn't default to Trump?

It's 24/7 Trump Talk. Even at Barnes & Nobles recently, a cluster of workers were around the help desk; passing by, they were all going on about Trump...what else could the topic of discussion be?

Reap what you sow...