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Old 04-18-2019, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Cuyahoga County's population drop 9th worst in the U.S. last year, new census estimates say

And Central Ohio is dominating the northeastern part of the state. Is there a silver lining here? What positives does this show? Or is it still bad? Any general discussion welcome.
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:55 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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The bleeding has stopped. Cleveland is actually gaining population downtown, University Circle, Ohio city, Tremont, and a few other neighborhoods. This wasn’t the case 10 years ago to the degree it is now. IMO When black flight on the east side stops over the next few years I think then you will see the city of Cleveland population growing by the 2030 census.
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Old 04-18-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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The bleeding has stopped. Cleveland is actually gaining population downtown, University Circle, Ohio city, Tremont, and a few other neighborhoods. This wasn’t the case 10 years ago to the degree it is now. IMO When black flight on the east side stops over the next few years I think then you will see the city of Cleveland population growing by the 2030 census.
Why do you think black flight will stop on Cleveland's east side? Especially when houses can be bought dirt cheap in many of the eastern inner-ring suburbs (Euclid, Maple Heights, etc.)?
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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It certainly does seem bad. Silver lining? I guess the positives of the revitalization efforts have yet to reach the stats. PIT's stats look even worse yet nobody doubts their future. As 1watertiger said, some inner-city neighborhoods are growing (rather quickly). So (some) young folks are moving back in.

But the growth in Medina and Lorain is most concerning. It's all sprawl.
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Old 04-19-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Have you been to Avon / Avon Lake lately?

People are leaving Cuyhoga County in droves, sure... but most of them only went another 15 minutes west where taxes are much cheaper.
Sadly though sleepy little Avon became Strongsville. Enjoy the traffic jams Lorain Countians!
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:22 AM
 
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Why do you think black flight will stop on Cleveland's east side? Especially when houses can be bought dirt cheap in many of the eastern inner-ring suburbs (Euclid, Maple Heights, etc.)?
Who is leaving the east side to buy homes in the inner ring suburbs? Or, who is left on the east side of cleveland that can legitimately qualify for a mortgage? Euclid and maple hits are cheap due to a lack of demand and these cities populations decline.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Why do you think black flight will stop on Cleveland's east side? Especially when houses can be bought dirt cheap in many of the eastern inner-ring suburbs (Euclid, Maple Heights, etc.)?
Actually, speaking as a Realtor who does a lot of work in these areas, demand (and housing prices) have bounced back considerably in these areas. Decent homes are selling between $70k and $100k, and homes that need significant renovations are selling between $50k and $60k. That’s a far cry from what it was like a few years ago.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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Actually, speaking as a Realtor who does a lot of work in these areas, demand (and housing prices) have bounced back considerably in these areas. Decent homes are selling between $70k and $100k, and homes that need significant renovations are selling between $50k and $60k. That’s a far cry from what it was like a few years ago.
That’s good news but cuyahoga county is still in decline.

Who are the homebuyers’ in maple hts and Euclid? Of course though prices have recovered since the depths of the most recent depression.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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https://expo.cleveland.com/news/g66l...mates-say.html

Cuyahoga County's population drop 9th worst in the U.S. last year, new census estimates say

And Central Ohio is dominating the northeastern part of the state. Is there a silver lining here? What positives does this show? Or is it still bad? Any general discussion welcome.
Silver lining is at least the 7 county area isn’t collapsing. Obviously Lorain and Medina counties are getting the cuyahoga county refugees. It’s just sprawl now with no growth.

Long story, as you know, but bad political leadership in Cleveland and cuyahoga county has obvioulsy taken its toll. Interesting that RTA is at its lowest ridership levels as well.

To add, just after the Dimora-Russo county scandal the new and “clean start” county government was formed to bring the Budish administration under investigation; more FBI searches, indictments, resignations, graft...the county jail scandal is an embarrassment.
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Old 04-19-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Its basically population flatline - what we've had since 1970. 50 years of no growth, which is better than 50 years of high growth - endless sprawl, clogged freeways, strip shopping centers everywhere, McMansion-boxes covering our rolling hills. This is the kind of crud that happens in places like Columbus. Granted it is happening here also, but to a much less degree due to our lack of growth, which is good.

We have the opportunity to turn golf courses into metroparks (4 that I know of so far), turn empty lots into mini neighborhood parks and gardens, buy property cheap for trail connections, live in a truly urban environment at a cost that is reasonable. We can go to an MLB/NBA/NFL game because there's seats available.

Keep that line flat - somewhere between 0 degrees and 5 degrees north of east.
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