Cleveland Development Discussions (Green, Bedford, Toronto: golf course, visiting, address)

[october2007]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Remember, fare card checks don't happen on the HealthLine. I rode the RTA today; actually rode the WFL from Flats to E 55th, transferred to Red Line. Could have easily not paid a fare.

Maybe 3-4 people exited the Little Italy stop. One other passenger on the WFL. The HL is better routed, the Red not and WF lines not at all. The Euclid Avenue bus line has seen far greater ridership than the Red Line for a long time, before its current reincarnation as the HL.

What's the WFL? I am on the Healthline most every day at differing times and have been seeing more police coming on to check tickets/passes and pulling people off who haven't paid. I overheard some passengers saying they usually keep an unstamped ticket with them in case they are stopped. And as I've noted before, ridership is about 90% or even 95% African American for those who are interested.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by october2007

What's the WFL?

Waterfront Line. The WFL is an extension of the Blue/Green lines, which share a common station with the Red Line at the Tower City, E. 34th Campus Road, and East 55th stations. If a fare pass isn't used, switching lines requires a new fare.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by october2007

What's the WFL? I am on the Healthline most every day at differing times and have been seeing more police coming on to check tickets/passes and pulling people off who haven't paid. I overheard some passengers saying they usually keep an unstamped ticket with them in case they are stopped. And as I've noted before, ridership is about 90% or even 95% African American for those who are interested.

Finally some good news with RTA: fare violators getting the boot and, hopefully, cited. If it's just hauling them off the bus, it's not effective. WFL is the Waterfront Line rapid transit, extension of the Green/Blue line through the flats/lakefront.

[october2007]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Finally some good news with RTA: fare violators getting the boot and, hopefully, cited. WFL is the Waterfront Line rapid transit, extension of the Green/Blue line through the flats/lakefront.

Thanks...I forgot it was called that and just think of it as part of the blue line. I was seeing police much more often last month and hope it continues. We could have used police today when a youth got off the Healthline and proceeded to kick the windows as hard as he could - it was startling to say the least. I hate that line.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by october2007

We could have used police today when a youth got off the Healthline and proceeded to kick the windows as hard as he could - it was startling to say the least. I hate that line.

Ah, the joys of living in Cleveland...

[Markymarke]

The bridge is a must have. -->CLE Chatter: Planners consider wider design for pedestrian bridge to waterfront, dirt-bike track plan hits speed bumps | cleveland.com

Who agrees?

[216facts]

Originally Posted by Markymarke

The bridge is a must have. -->CLE Chatter: Planners consider wider design for pedestrian bridge to waterfront, dirt-bike track plan hits speed bumps | cleveland.com

Who agrees?

I do. I thought the Rosales design was good, I was hoping they would go with that. Not so sure it really needs to be wider, I think it needs to "catch the eye" so people at the RRHOF or Mall C are drawn towards it, to investigate and then use it.

Bigger is not better IMO, this is not the place to be "functional". It's the city's doorstep, it needs to be inviting, intriguing, suggesting greatness. It also needs to be an aesthetic bridge between modern art (RRHOF) and the more conservative Group Plan by Burnham (c. 1903). So they're right in making sure they get the right design in place, but I would think they could figure out a way to pay for the Rosales design.

[mbowes80]

Originally Posted by Kamms

So a buddy from out of town stayed at the Cleveiand Clinic Holiday Inn last weekend and used the HealthLine to go downtown. He liked the HealthLine but commented that no one but him used the ticket kiosk...oh, and he was the only white rider.

This is not surprising, given that whites are known to have little concern for what's cost effective, environmentally friendly, etc. I was driving through the Target parking lot the other day, and at least 95% of the drivers were whites.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by mbowes80

This is not surprising, given that whites are known to have little concern for what's cost effective, environmentally friendly, etc. I was driving through the Target parking lot the other day, and at least 95% of the drivers were whites.

Umm, if you followed the posts and what this was in reply to, you would get the meaning of this. It has nothing to do with race; only a response to a certain poster who refuses to believe most RTA riders are African-American.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Markymarke

The bridge is a must have. -->CLE Chatter: Planners consider wider design for pedestrian bridge to waterfront, dirt-bike track plan hits speed bumps | cleveland.com

Who agrees?

The bridge is a must and must be built ASAP