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Old 05-20-2020, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Even if you're right, I would enjoy seeing an expert opinion that the Flats are invulnerable to flooding given the historic precedent of the Great Flood of 1913. Was the Cuyahoga River through the Flats NOT dredged in 1913? Admittedly, it may take a 500-year storm to flood the Flats, but that is what hit the Grand River watershed earlier this century. The Grand River event was a flash flood lasting only hours, but the damage was immense.

https://www.clevelandmetroparks.com/...-flood-of-1913

<<Cleveland did not escape unscathed. The Flats were flooded by the Cuyahoga River, sweeping wood from lumberyards into Lake Erie and washing away businesses, rail yards, and trains, but there were no deaths. A ship that broke loose from its moorings did take out the West Third Street bridge. It's unknown exactly how high the water got in Cleveland because there was no flood gauge [is there a Cuyahoga River flood gauge in the Flats today?] in 1913, Jamison said.>>

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2013..._put_floo.html

Given lake flooding even now in the western basin due to easterly and northeasterly winds, winds also conceivably could back up Lake Erie off the Cleveland coast.

Given the Great Flood of 2013, and even the long-anticipated pandemic engulfing the nation, I'm not willing to agree that another Great Flood of the Flats is impossible absent an expert assessment.

BTW, if you read the above Metroparks article, dams in 2013 were holding back Cuyahoga River water, at least in Akron, as they blew up the Ohio and Erie Canal locks/dams there to alleviate the flooding and in the process destroying much of the canal bed below Akron.

<<The Ohio and Erie Canal was in ruins. In and around Akron, canal locks acted as dams and were dynamited to release the water. As a result, raging waters poured into other canal towns, like Boston, causing flooding and destroying canal beds along the way. Flood damage along its 308 miles from Cleveland to Portsmouth had rendered the canal useless in most areas. Since it was no longer used for transportation, no attempt was made to rebuild thus ending the canal era in Ohio.>>

Let's face it. The U.S. and Ohio today possesses leadership that is the opposite of prescient, and not just the Republicans IMO.
Why do you spend so much energy trying to win this petty disagreement?
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Old 05-21-2020, 05:54 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/...flats.html?m=1
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Old 05-21-2020, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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I don't pay for Crain's Cleveland. Can anyone access it and let us know what this plan looks like?

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real...-lands-key-tax

I'm pretty sure the Warner and Swasey Building has been abandoned and rotting my entire life.
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Old 05-21-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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I don't pay for Crain's Cleveland. Can anyone access it and let us know what this plan looks like?

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real...-lands-key-tax

I'm pretty sure the Warner and Swasey Building has been abandoned and rotting my entire life.
Unfortunately I'm in the same boat re Crain's articles. Sometimes I can access them; most times, not.
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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I don't pay for Crain's Cleveland. Can anyone access it and let us know what this plan looks like?

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real...-lands-key-tax

I'm pretty sure the Warner and Swasey Building has been abandoned and rotting my entire life.
Yeah, definitely rotting, but few building have such strong infrastructure. Points from the Crains article:
- Philadelphia based Pennrose hopes to transform the buildings into 140 apartments, $50M project
- will include 30,000 sq ft of commercial space
- the Ohio Housing Finance Agency has awarded $10M in low income housing tax credits
- apartments are geared towards seniors, some low income, and "workforce" people as they called it.
- Pennrose hopes to close financing this year and purchase the W+S property next year (Cleveland owns it)
- Pennrose was involved with the conversion of St. Lukes to apartments, so they're not strangers
- the property is on the National Register of Historic places, tax credits are part of the deal

Would love to see this take off, would be great to have a W+S historic lobby with some of the incredible instrumentation and telescopes they used to make.
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Old 05-23-2020, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Here is info from neotrans on the project: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/...5-Yb4wnMUMK8bE
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Old 05-27-2020, 08:29 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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24 story apartment tower in the planning stages for the west bank of the flats.

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/...ealed.html?m=1
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Old 05-27-2020, 10:35 AM
 
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24 story apartment tower in the planning stages for the west bank of the flats.

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/...ealed.html?m=1
... and a really handsome tower in a very sexy location. ... and on the heels of the amazing Lumen... This city is on a serious ROLL!
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Old 05-27-2020, 12:52 PM
 
Location: cleveland
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... and a really handsome tower in a very sexy location. ... and on the heels of the amazing Lumen... This city is on a serious ROLL!
Yes I agree with you. The west bank of the flats in that area have some really spectacular views of the city.
I am really eager to see renderings of the new Sherwin Williams headquarters building.
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Old 05-28-2020, 04:42 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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More good news. new 19 story hotel for midtown.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...e-by-2022.html

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/...le-in.html?m=1

Last edited by 1watertiger; 05-28-2020 at 05:17 AM.. Reason: More information
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