Rating Team Success in the New Millennium

[waltergulick]

Originally Posted by Simpsonvilllian

you not even addressing my point though. You are beating up on a strawman while thinking you are a debate champ.

How can you say Alabama was better based on overall resume. Both finished 14-1. Clemson won 14 in a row and had a tougher conference title opponent and a tougher 1st round playoff game.

your ND analogy is so dumb because Clemson was obviosly competitive with Bama. Saban even did an onside kick in the 4th because he had no confidence in his defense at that point.

Consider LSU and Bama a few years ago. LSU won at Alabama, Alabama won in the national title game despite not winning the SEC west division or SEC title. your raniing system will say Alabama is a lot better than LSU. the truth is, they were teams capable of losing to each other on a given day.

What about this season? If Clemson beats Ohio State then faces Alabama and wins the National Championship, you would still consider Alabama as having the more successful season?

They would have won 14 in a row and only have one loss to a 14-1 Clemson, while Clemson suffered a loss to a mediocre Pittsburgh team? Is that your position?

[chadgates]

Originally Posted by waltergulick

What about this season? If Clemson beats Ohio State then faces Alabama and wins the National Championship, you would still consider Alabama as having the more successful season?

They would have won 14 in a row and only have one loss to a 14-1 Clemson, while Clemson suffered a loss to a mediocre Pittsburgh team? Is that your position?

GREAT question. I do not see a response from Simpsonvillian.

[chadgates]

Originally Posted by David A Stone

Just my opinion, but I don't think bowl wins or bowl losses should even be figured in the equation.


There is ,many times, no correlation between what a team does in the regular season vs a bowl game.

Well, my line of thinking was that in bowl games teams are facing a quality non-conference opponent which might be the only one a team has faced all season. If a team plays in a weak conference and is a perennial 8 or 9 win team, but is 2-10 in bowl games I think that tells a bit of a story.

It is not perfect by any means, because like this year we get a 10-2 USF matched up against 6-6 South Carolina, so that really isn't telling us much. Yet, I think if a pattern starts to emerge it can be telling.

Below I've posted the list minus the Bowl modifier.

[chadgates]

Without Bowl Modifier:


1 Alabama 1292
2 Ohio St 1274
3 Louisiana St 1116
4 Southern Cal 1068
5 Oklahoma 1030
6 Boise St 1027
7 Florida 989
8 Florida St 987
9 Texas 915
10 Oregon 911
11 Texas Christian 892
12 Auburn 880
13 Miami, FL 846
14 Georgia 844
15 Louisville 826
16 Virginia Tech 821
17 West Virginia 806
18 Wisconsin 803
19 Utah 769
20 Cincinnati 761
21 Clemson 755
22 Brigham Young 722
23 Northern Illinois 721
24 Iowa 719
25 Michigan St 715
26 Michigan 709
27 Oklahoma St 693
28 Penn St 690
29 Nebraska 681
30 Stanford 662
31 Toledo 652
32 Kansas St 650
33 Missouri 648
34 Notre Dame 644
35 Fresno St 639
36 Texas Tech 634
37 Marshall 627
38 Bowling Green 625
39 Georgia Tech 622
40 Pittsburgh 620
41 South Carolina 619
42 Boston College 615
43 Tennessee 612
44 Navy 607
45 Houston 605
46 Arizona St 593
47 Arkansas 591
48 Texas A&M 585
49 UCLA 584
50 Nevada 569
51 Hawai'i 561
52 Central Florida 559
53 Arkansas St 553
54 Maryland 550
55 Troy 546
56 California 544
57 Baylor 543
58 Air Force 541
59 Oregon St 538
T60 South Florida 537
T60 Southern Mississippi 537
62 N Carolina St 535
63 Tulsa 534
64 Rutgers 532
65 Central Michigan 528
66 Ole Miss 527
67 Northwestern 525
68 Louisiana Tech 518
69 East Carolina 515
70 Connecticut 511
71 Middle Tennessee St 507
72 North Carolina 502
73 San Diego St 486
74 Ohio 483
75 Louisiana-Lafayette 482
76 Colorado St 480
77 Minnesota 478
78 Arizona 476
79 Wake Forest 474
80 Western Kentucky 471
81 Ball St 462
82 Virginia 457
83 Mississippi St 456
84 Washington St 451
85 Rice 450
86 Western Michigan 444
87 Syracuse 440
88 Washington 431
89 Purdue 429
90 Memphis 416
91 Miami, OH 408
92 Utah St 407
93 Illinois 393
T94 Colorado 392
T94 Kentucky 392
96 Florida Atlantic 386
97 New Mexico 383
98 San Jose St 376
99 Kent St 372
100 North Texas 368
101 Iowa St 364
102 Temple 357
103 Akron 355
104 Wyoming 354
105 Louisiana-Monroe 353
106 Texas-El Paso 350
107 UAB 342
108 Kansas 331
109 Vanderbilt 325
110 Indiana 318
111 Southern Methodist 298
112 Florida International 297
113 Tulane 289
114 Buffalo 281
115 Duke 280
116 UNLV 240
117 New Mexico St 216
118 Army 208
119 Idaho 176
120 Eastern Michigan 166