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Wow...another "boy genius" who'll be running the world some day. Just shoot me now!
What are you talking about ?
I posted my opinion on the topic. Ohiogirl got all bunged up and decided to make it personal, bot snarky AND bitchy with me when my opinion had nothing whatsoever to do with her.
I defend myself and you can't handle it ? That's your problem.
While I agree that is a dumb reason to go to a university, but what does that deal with this thread? Otherwise, well said. The sports culture on many campuses is sickening. It is as much a joke as Rutger's choice in speakers.
If it is a dumb reason to go to college, it pretty much shows that anyone who uses it as a reason is dumb. It should be apparent dumb people are going to have a hard time getting jobs, no matter if they have degrees. The OP was stating that suing a uni for the graduates inability to find a job may be legitimate. My point is that many students, while being admitted into college, don't have the ability to make smart decisions.
Which is the problem, many more folks are going to college who really have no business being there in the first place. And the level of marketing which colleges engage in to get students reflects the idiocy of much of the student body. I named a few of the pr tools which schools engage in, such as hot tubs and a mammoth student recreation centers which are more spas than just a simple place to exercise. No surprise if someone spends more time playing around rather than studying that finding a job is a real hard thing to do. But unis are in fact appealing not to a person's willingness to rigorously study, but to their vanity and immaturity. Again no surprise if someone like that can't find a job when they graduate....
I believe little of what our media indoctrinates..oooops..I meant informs us with.
"I don't fit in anywhere and I like it that way" --Jake Hansen-Melrose Place
It seems you're well indoctrinated already by your university professors. If you were half as smart as you think you are then you would have already known the difficulties of finding a job right out of college and that you don't automatically get a big starting paycheck. As for the news (newspaper, television news, or Internet news), if you're so very smart, you should be able to get your news from multiple sources and separate the facts from the BS. You're not going to learn new things or get good jobs sitting at home playing video games. If you go into an interview with this attitude you've shown here then it's no wonder you don't have a job.
As far as I'm concerned, MP is far more realistic about the world then the "news". And frankly I wouldn't work for an employer that dictated my entertainment on my PERSONAL time.
Keep doing your best to herd me into the sheep pen with you though. Talk about futility.
What's your problem anyway ? Why do you get so bunged up over another persons opinions. There is no call for your snarkiness, lady.
There is no scripted TV show or movie that is realistic. Small pieces of the shower movie may be accurate, but nothing else is realistic. Try getting out and seeing the world outside of television and video games and maybe you'll actually learn something useful. Try joining the military as an enlistedman. It'll do wonders for your attitude.
Do they really show pictures of people working? I can't believe it! I guess those commercials that show Coors Lite drinkers having fun justify a lawsuit too. I mean the last time I drank a Coors Lite I didn't have fun.
I'd like you to show me an example of a typical university misleading its students. Texas A&M, where I graduated, and where one of my children attends, has a wide range of degrees, lots of engineering and business majors, a terrific career center, but nowhere does it hint the promise of a job. I think most public universities anything like Texas A&M are very similar.
A $5 beer is not the same as a $200,000 degree. Otherwise, people would sue if the beer weren't as advertised.
Of course schools lead people to believe they will be employed in their field. Why do you think people apply and study 4 years? For fun? Cause they want to be 200k in debt and want to torture themselves?
Here's the description for NYU's International Law J.D. program (NYU is one of the schools being taken to court by alumni in a class action case:
The program aims to provide close mentoring and specialist training for a small number of outstanding students who will go on to make a significant contribution to scholarship, teaching and innovative practice in the field of international law.
Careers During 2009-2010, over 395 private law firms, public interest organizations, government agencies, corporations, and public accounting firms visited NYU School of Law to interview students. The interviewers came from 26 states and 5 foreign countries; 72% were from outside New York. Median overall salary of the Class of 2009: $160,000
About NYU Law Notable Alumni
Corporate General Counsel
Anne E. Chwat ’87
Senior Vice President, General Counsel, and Corporate Secretary, International Flavors & Fragrances Inc. Andrew D. Hendry ’72
Senior Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary, Colgate Palmolive Company Scott Hoffman ’87
Managing Director and General Counsel, The Lazard Group LLC Randal Milch ’85
Executive Vice President and General Counsel, Verizon Communications Sara E. Moss ’74
Executive Vice President/General Counsel and Secretary, Estée Lauder Inc.
Corporate Leaders John A. Carrig ’78
President and COO, ConocoPhillips Herbert Kelleher ’56
Co-founder, Executive Chairman Emeritus, and Former CEO, Southwest Airlines Harold Max Messmer ’70
Chairman and CEO, Robert Half International Michael I. Roth (LL.M. ’75)
Chairman and CEO, Interpublic Group of Companies Anthony Welters ’77Executive Vice President, UnitedHealth Group
President, Public and Senior Markets Group
Entertainment Jonathan Dolgen ’69Former Chairman, Paramount Pictures Peter Guber ’67 (LL.M. ’68)
Hollywood producer, Chairman and CEO, Mandalay Entertainment Group; Former Chairman and CEO, Sony Pictures Entertainment Marvin Josephson ’52
Founder, International Creative Management, Inc. Marc Platt ’82 Hollywood and Broadway Producer Marc Turtletaub ’70
Partner and Producer, Big Beach Films
Finance William Comfort Jr. (LL.M. ’64)
Chairman, Court Square Capital Partners Stephen Kaplan ’83
Principal, Oaktree Capital Management Richard Ketchum ’75
Chairman & CEO, Financial Industry Regulation Authority Robert Kindler ’80
Vice Chairman of Investment Banking, Morgan Stanley Lester Pollack ’57
Founder and Chairman, Centre Partners
Foundations FlorenceDavis ’79 President, The Starr Foundation Allen M. Greenberg ’81
President, The Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation Rita E. Hauser ’59
President, The Hauser Foundation Dennis S. Hersch ’70 President, N.A. Property, Inc., and Advisor to The Wexner Foundation Joshua S. Wyner ’93
Executive Vice President, Jack Kent Cooke Foundation
Government Lamar Alexander ’65
U.S. Senator from Tennessee
Former Governor of Tennessee
Former U.S. Secretary of Education Diana L. DeGette ’82
Member of U.S. House of Representatives from Colorado Raymond Kelly (LL.M. ’74)
New York City Police Commissioner Ma Ying-jeou (LL.M. ’76)President of Taiwan Anne Milgram ’96
Former Attorney General, State of New Jersey Senior Fellow, Center on the Administration of Criminal Law
Higher Education Administration John B. Attanasio ’79
Judge James Noel Dean and Professor of Law, and William Hawley Atwell Chair of Constitutional Law, Southern Methodist University Dedman School of Law Manuel J. Fernos (LL.M. ’73)
President, Inter American University of Puerto Rico Richard M. Joel ’75President, Yeshiva University James Milliken ’83President, University of Nebraska Jeremy Travis ’82
President, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, CUNY
Judiciary Thomas Buergenthal ’60
Judge, International Court of Justice Dennis Jacobs ’73
Chief Judge, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judith Kaye ’62 Former Chief Judge, State of New York Court of Appeals Jonathan Lippman ’68Chief Judge, State of New York Court of Appeals Daniel Nsereko (LL.M. ’71, J.S.D. ’75)
Judge, International Criminal Court
Law Practice Sheila Birnbaum ’65
Partner, Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom David Boies (LL.M. ’67)Chairman and Managing Partner, Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP Evan Chesler ’75
Partner, Cravath, Swaine & Moore, LLP Martin Lipton ’55Partner, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz Herbert Wachtell ’54
Partner, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz
Law Professors John Coates IV ’89John F. Cogan, Jr. Professor of Law and Economics, Harvard Law School John C. Coffee Jr. (LL.M. ’76)
Adolf A. Berle Professor of Law, Columbia Law School Anne M. Coughlin ’84 Lewis F. Powell, Jr., Professor of Law; Joel B. Piassick Research Professor of Law, University of Virginia School of Law Sylvia Law ’68
Elizabeth K. Dollard Professor of Law, Medicine and Psychiatry, NYU School of Law
Codirector, Arthur Garfield Hays Civil Liberties Program, NYU School of Law Judith Resnik ’75 Arthur Liman Professor of Law, Yale Law School
Public Interest Helaine M. Barnett ’64Former President, Legal Services Corporation (Washington, D.C.) Carol Bellamy ’68
Former Executive Director, UNICEF Mohamed ElBaradei (LL.M. ’71, J.S.D. ’74, LL.D. ’04)
Former Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency Karen Freedman ’80
Executive Director, Lawyers for Children Charles O. Lorensen (LL.M. ’91)
Secretary, Department of Revenue, State of West Virginia Marcia Robinson Lowry ’69
Executive Director, Children’s Rights, Inc.
Real Estate Developers
Jay Furman ’71
Principal, RD Management Corporation Ronald Moelis ’82
CEO, L & M Development Partners Stephen Ross (LL.M. ’66)
Founder, CEO, and Chairman, The Related Companies Peter D. Sudler ’73
President and CEO, Sudler Management Company Leonard Wilf (LL.M. ’77)
President, Garden Homes Development
Vice Chairman, Minnesota Vikings
Sports Gary Bettman ’77Commissioner, National Hockey League Joel Litvin ’85
President, League and Basketball Operations, National Basketball Association Ethan Orlinsky ’89
Senior Vice President and General Counsel, Major League Baseball Paul Tagliabue ’65
Former Commissioner, National Football League Mark Wilf ’87
President, Minnesota Vikings
They have a whole page of these things on their website.
Alumna of the Month December 2010
Tatia Miller ’02
Regional Legal Advisor, United States Agency for International Development As Tatia Miller ’02 packed up her Washington, D.C., apartment recently, she tried to imagine her new life in Islamabad, where she would be a legal adviser for the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). The picture was still fragmentary. She occasionally read newspaper accounts of terrorist attacks in Pakistan’s capital, and her pre-assignment training had emphasized caution in striking up casual conversations in restaurants and at the market. On the other hand, colleagues from the agency told her that the food, shopping, and ex-pat parties were small rewards that made the restricted living conditions bearable. Then there was the sheer responsibility she would assume: She would be one of two lawyers who, along with a team of dedicated development professionals, would make sure that the expenditure of millions of dollars in U.S. humanitarian aid in the region complied with international and federal laws. Yet for all this uncertainty, Ms. Miller felt calm, her anxiety outweighed by her passion for helping people who have been devastated by disaster. “For me, it’s been such a long road to get to this point that I’m just incredibly eager to get to post,” says Ms. Miller, who left for Islamabad at the beginning of November. That road, which has taken her from defending corporate clients in internal investigations to helping rape victims in the Democratic Republic of Congo prosecute their attackers, began for Ms. Miller at Loyola University in Chicago, where the anthropology major learned how, despite customs and traditional rules, disaster can tear at the fabric of societies. “Anthropology laid the foundation for this direction in my life,” says Ms. Miller. “It made me ask myself how I could help people in these situations regain control over their lives.” That line of inquiry led her to Washington, D.C., in 1996, after she graduated from college. She took a job at the Georgetown University Law Center library, where she was introduced to international law as a means to effect social change. Ultimately, she chose to attend NYU Law because of the school’s strong reputation for human rights and civil liberties work. When Ms. Miller arrived at NYU in 1999 she found mentors—and opportunities to put her ambitions to work. Professors Andreas Lowenfeld and Linda Silberman taught her the fundamentals of international law. That in itself was significant to Ms. Miller, who remembers worrying that, as a student from a small college, she might flame out in such a prestigious law school. “But what I loved about these professors is that they treated me very seriously, were tremendously encouraging, and saw my potential,” she says. At the end of her first year, she completed a summer internship as a UNESCO Oliver Tambo Human Rights Chair, where she conducted research on human rights issues in South Africa. “That experience fleshed out some of the challenges of development work for me,” says Ms. Miller. “At the time, South Africa was experiencing some of the highest rates of rape in the world, the AIDS epidemic was at its height, and I was able to talk to people in my office who were teenagers during the Soweto riots.” She knew then that she wanted a career in international law. But she also knew that such jobs were difficult to land. Moreover, Ms. Miller, like many of her classmates, had to pay off student loans. Working with NYU’s career counselors, she decided that the most efficient way to gain the legal experience that an institution like the United Nations might find attractive and to get out of debt was to secure a position at a corporate firm. So she targeted the Manhattan offices of Debevoise & Plimpton because of its reputation for both international litigation and pro bono human rights work. The firm brought her in as a summer intern after her second year of law school, and then, when she graduated from NYU in 2002, hired her as a litigation associate. Ms. Miller’s hunch about the firm paid off. Within a few years, she was helping to advocate for detainees at Guantánamo Bay. The work was meaningful to Ms. Miller, who researched, among other things, how to get prisoners information about their families. Still, with the majority of her often 12-hour workdays devoted to oil, gas, and insurance cases, Ms. Miller knew she would have to leave the firm if she wanted to move into full-time development work. So in 2007, she took a position as a staff attorney with the American Bar Association’s Rule of Law Initiative (ROLI), which develops programs to support legal systems and professionals in developing countries. There was some risk in accepting the job. Title aside, she would be doing more work as a grant writer and program manager than as a lawyer. Then there was the financial hit. “I took a huge cut in pay to go public interest,” says Ms. Miller. “But it was a fantastic exposure to the business side of international development.” In 2008, ROLI dispatched her to the Congo to set up a program to help local prosecutors combat an epidemic of rape that had terrorized women across the country. To date, the program has provided legal assistance to 1,100 survivors of sexual violence and filed more than 500 complaints with police. “It was profoundly important for me to see that these women, whose lives had nearly fallen completely apart, had some evidence that their society hadn’t disintegrated into an utter anarchy, that there was still a society and legal system in place to protect them,” says Ms. Miller.
Still, Ms. Miller hungered to practice law again. When a friend told her about the regional legal adviser position at USAID, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to join her legal training with her development experience to help some of the most vulnerable people in the world. As Ms. Miller finalized her plans to move to Islamabad, her mother and grandmother flew to Washington to see her off. “Relationships with close family are incredibly important to me,” acknowledges Ms. Miller, even though her new career in foreign service may mean that she won’t be living on the same continent with any of her close family for the next several years. After Islamabad, she will go on to a post in Dakar for four years, and then another yet-to-be-determined posting. She is single and hopes to find a partner willing to follow her and perhaps raise children abroad. But these uncertainties will continue to be tempered by the purpose she finds in her work. “It pains me to see abject poverty, and I have to ask myself, ‘What am I doing about it?’” says Ms. Miller. “Fortunately I can now answer, ‘I’m working for an agency that is trying to alleviate that poverty.’ It doesn’t take care of everything, but it’s something to know that my work is helping.”
But SHE put the effing cup between her legs !!! HER fault ! That was the one of the dumbest cases EVER.
Now you can't get a cup of coffee anymore that stays hot because of this dumbass lawsuit.
Not her fault. She was an old woman. First off, the average coffee temp was OVER 170 degrees. WAY TOO HOT. Their coffee was brewed at almost boiling and kept between 180-190 average. Too hot to drink with out damage. She wasn't driving, and was adding cream and sugar to the cup and spilled it. Third degree burns are no joke, and that is what she received. She only sued, cause McDonald's REFUSED to pay for her medical bills. And McDonald's had been sued once before in the 80's and again in the 90's for their coffee temp and lost.
McDonald's Operations Manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit; Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns (the worst kind of burn) in three to seven seconds; McDonald's admitted that it has known about the risk of serious burns from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years -- the risk was brought to its attention through numerous other claims and suits, to no avail; From 1982 to 1992, McDonald's coffee burned more than 700 people, many receiving severe burns to the genital area, perineum, inner thighs, and buttocks; Not only men and women, but also children and infants, have been burned by McDonald's scalding hot coffee, in some instances due to inadvertent spillage by McDonald's employees.
And people wonder why our country is going down the tubes...the total give me, I'm entitled to it, generation like this poster. How in he'll has this person made it through life thus far?
My god. I'm filing suit against the planet earth, this person stole the rest of our oxygen...
I'd like you to show me an example of a typical university misleading its students. Texas A&M, where I graduated, and where one of my children attends, has a wide range of degrees, lots of engineering and business majors, a terrific career center, but nowhere does it hint the promise of a job. I think most public universities anything like Texas A&M are very similar.
Exactly! My college said "with xxx degree, you can expect to be qualified for a job that makes xxx amount of money, but no promises of a damn thing. You pay for the EDUCATION, you have to work to get the job.
Oh, and for those links to the law grad that can't find a job; are people unable to open their OWN private practice anymore? If you can't find a job, MAKE one.
For those of you on here that are either lawyers or know a lot about civil laws, do you think someone could sue their college if that person did not get a job and wanted their tuition money back?
I know some of you might say that you would need to prove that the college is liable for you not getting a job. Well, I looked through several college course catalogs and admissions packet and did not see any disclaimers.
What would a civil lawyer say if someone walked into their office and said, "I want to sue my college because I didn't get a job. "
I know this is a different story/topic, but many years ago, someone sued McDonalds (and won) because that person spilled hot coffee on themselves and at the time, the McDonalds coffee cups did not have a disclaimer that warned about hot coffee.
Well then I imagine on such a case they would say show me the money.People seem to think that lawyers will take anything on their dime as a per centage. likely if you found one willing on percentage he would be lookig to settle but i really doubt the university would ;so chances are small.Remmeber you not only have to win but be able to finace the appeals to come in such a case over years.
As far as I'm concerned, MP is far more realistic about the world then the "news".
LMAO. Keep digging your own grave.
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Originally Posted by Jay100
Here's the description for NYU's International Law J.D. program (NYU is one of the schools being taken to court by alumni in a class action case:
The program aims to provide close mentoring and specialist training for a small number of outstanding students who will go on to make a significant contribution to scholarship, teaching and innovative practice in the field of international law.
That doesn't guarantee squat; it merely shows what is possible, and what has already been achieved.
If you're not smart enough to know the difference, you're not smart enough to be in college.
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