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Everything. a motivated kid that never went to college has a better chance of making it than a kid that went to college but lacks motivation.
Those professions are exceptions to the rule. but overall, if you're not trying to be a Dentist or Doctor you don't really need a degree.
AND not all graduates from Doctor school find jobs in their field of study.
Again it comes down to motivation not college. What you have said does not really apply to college at all. Some college grads are motivated some aren't, some non college grads are motivated and some are not. For what it is worth though I would bet that successfully employed college grads make far more money overall then successfully employed people who did not graduate college.
As to the second part it is not just Doctors, its all of those professions and more.
You definitely need a degree to be a Lawyer. Unauthorized practice of the law is a crime.
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Bill Gates? He attended Harvard, although he didn't graduate. His father was one of the most prominent lawyers in Seattle, his mother sat on the Board of Directors of several "Fortune-500" companies (this is how he got his "in" with IBM re DOS), and his grandfather was president of a national bank. Think "rich, influential family" -- "really rich, really influential." To cite him as being typical of someone who didn't graduate from college is ridiculous!
More like LIBERAL ARTS HUMANITIES degrees are overrated.
"I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, and naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain."
John Adams, second President of the United States of America, quoted by Hamish Forbes, who has three degrees in engineering
If you like following Communist propaganda, this would be it.
This is like telling a room full of kids that they can be like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. The problem is, there is only 1 Bill Gates and 1 Steve Jobs.
If you meet anyone that tries to justify not going to college with using an example like Bill Gates you should just laugh and not waste your time talking to them. One thing is certain, they are not the next Bill Gates.
What employers want is people with skills who can get the job done for a good price. You don't necessarily need to go to school to get an education. My best employees were those who had a passion for the field and learned the skills on their own.
I take it you're not a director of nursing.
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Starting your own business is not anywhere near a guarantee either. Once more almost all businesses are going to have fixed costs to get into Business and there is no guarantee it will last even a year or two and if you go out of business often you don't recover your substantial initial investment.
Yes, and you have to take out loans to start a business as well, unless you're independently weathy.
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Everything. a motivated kid that never went to college has a better chance of making it than a kid that went to college but lacks motivation.
Those professions are exceptions to the rule. but overall, if you're not trying to be a Dentist or Doctor you don't really need a degree.
AND not all graduates from Doctor school find jobs in their field of study.
Guys it's all relative and no I don't mean anything that Einstein was yapping about. A degree isn't overrated when there is a demand for those who have one. It certainly is if no demand exists for those that have one.
We're in a Depression, so, in relation to that growing economic reality, what will be the demand for those with a degree? Far less than what it was for someone getting a degree in 1965, when the US was the leader in market share for just about any industrial sector. Nearly 50 years later, when the US has shipped much of its industrial core overseas, and we're losing market share in nearly every economic sector, then that degree just isn't close to its earlier worth.
The economic dislocation is taking place all over the industrialized world, causing a surplus of college grads. It isn't just he US where more people have college educations than ever before, this is true world wide. A more highly educated population was a goal for nearly all nations, and industry has a choice as to who they can get, from where ever they can get them, making a US college education far less valuable. I graduated with a degree in Engineering Physics, but chose not to pursue grad school, even though I knew that a grad degree was one hoop that the circus trainer demands to pursue a career in Physics. The reason was simple; the unis recruit foreign students to come to grad school, work them ragged, knowing that those foreign students will jump at the chance to get about $1600/month because, from where they're coming from, that is damn good money, but, in essence, driving down the wages that the departments pay for their GTF's. But, sooner than later, those foreign students come to realize that they can't make it here either, so they leave to go back home, where there is also the same economic conditions as we're experiencing here. But that's the point. A college degree is dangled as the carrot for all of us to pursue in order to enter a economic class with aspirations for higher consumption. That is a growing impossibility in a Depression. Without that context, then the actual value of a college education can't be calculated. Factor that in, then come back and give reasons why it remains valuable....
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